US subs in the arctic

Nonskimmer · 12-22-2005, 02:37 PM

I've never driven through the Mid-West, but the New England states have pretty good interstates as well. Yeah, I've been through parts of Washington and Oregon too. It's nice.

pbfoot · 12-22-2005, 02:51 PM

I was actually using highways as examples think of all the airports we have to pay for up in the arctic or nwt and such the court systems that have to travel to every little town, electicity that has to be generated because its to far away from the grid it all adds up yes the military needs much more funding but who do we rob to pay for it . Myself I'd like to see civil servants take a pay cut make the natives work for their money cut the wages of educators the list can go on

Nonskimmer · 12-22-2005, 04:02 PM

Who do we rob to pay for it? We shouldn't have to rob anyone, that's my point. How much money goes into useless projects like these federal sponsorship deals everyday? That recent sponsorship scandal was a perfect example of why government needs to be accountable for mass spending like that. Jesus, do you know how long they've been doing that sort of thing on the Hill? Years man, years. We the public are just now waking up to the actual scope of it. For example, the government throws out an open cheque to some survey company to launch a study into something completely stupid, and then never bothers to do an audit of any sort when a multimillion dollar bill arrives and there are no results to show for it. Does that makes sense to anyone? That kind of squandering goes on left and right, you know that.

But that's just a single example of the type of waste that occurs in Ottawa on a regular basis. What about this so-called "National Unity"?

Then there's foreign aid. I mean, the list just goes on and on! We could probably stand to re-evaluate our priorities just a bit. Christ, look at the state of health care in this country these days. Your list of suggestions ain't bad either, concerning civil servants and such.

Canada isn't a poor country by any means, you know. We're actually one of the wealthier ones. We're in the G8 for Christ's sake, but we waste so much f*cking money! I'm not talking about a massive military like the United States now. We obviously lack the population or the industrial base for something that size. We'd never support something like that in a million years, but we can sure as hell have something significantly better than what we've been left with. I mean a lot better. Christ, we can't even defend our own country! Why we're even still in NATO or sending folks to places like Afghanistan is anyones guess! This is absolute garbage, that's what this is, and there's no need of it whatsof*ckingever. None.

pbfoot · 12-22-2005, 04:33 PM

okay rob is a poor term but has our govt got the balls to say the hell with day care if you can't afford kids wear condoms or you want to work in Canada you pay for your own English or French lessons .your from down east how long did we keep those coal mines going in cape breton or how much money was spent to change the name of afrikaville to simonstown(i hope thats the correct name) why should I support through pogey some fisherman who can only fish for a couple of months a year and its not only in the maritimes its all over the place . Now I'm gonna have to pay for Halifax to host commonwealth games its all crap yes we do need to upgrade the forces and stop sending frigates on fish pats but which politician has the guts to do it or say so if one does he isn't gonna get elected because the majority of Canadians are snivellers

Nonskimmer · 12-22-2005, 04:46 PM

Those are all perfect examples of the waste right there. A lot of what you've just listed rests at the provincial level though, and brother I'll be the first to agree that the governments out east (particularly Nova Scotia) have been the sh*ts at managing the affairs down here. Everything is just one big f*cked up circle after another, and then we go running to the federal government and the next thing you know you've got Ontario supporting Nova Scotia and Newfoundland.

To be fair though, a big part of the economy down here was dependent on the fishery. Once that went tits up, we were really in a world of hurt. Sysco Steel in Cape Breton should have been shut down long before it was though,I'll agree, and the coal mines have been spent for years now. Why should Ontario pay for it, or Alberta or BC? Well, I can't really give you a good reason.

pbfoot · 12-22-2005, 05:21 PM

I'm not disputing helping out my countrymen in times of distress like the east coast did with western canada during the 1930's the fact being who do we "deprive" to do what is correct like upgrading the CAF no politcian is willing to risk losing his ride on the gravy train to do what is correct in our minds. The last true leaders we had in canada were Mulroney and although he was bad for the CAF Trudeau but we are like every other person in this world we cannot stand the truth nor are we willing to pay for it . Are you aware in 1867 Nova Scotia and New Brunswick almost did not join in confederation because at thet time they were the haves and we out west of you were the havenots

Nonskimmer · 12-22-2005, 07:44 PM

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Are you aware in 1867 Nova Scotia and New Brunswick almost did not join in confederation because at thet time they were the haves and we out west of you were the havenots

Oh, I'm most certainly aware of that.

Believe you me, practically everybody in Nova Scotia is aware of that!

But those were different times, with an entirely different economy and resource base. Plus hardly any of the western territory had really been opened up yet.
Fat lot of good it all does us these days. Ah well.

102first_hussars · 12-22-2005, 08:29 PM

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One of the last true leaders we had in canada was Mulroney and Trudeau.

I do agree with you on Brian, The media went all out to demonize him, in the end it paid off for the Liberals, however in my opinion Trudeau sabatoged any chance of of Mulroney making true progress for Canada, When Trudeau first entered office after Pearson there was a
50 Million Dollar Surplus in the National Budget, but when Trudeau Retired from office he left Mulroneys new leadership and Canada for that matter with a 4 billion dollar deficit and hundreds of Billions in Debt which still has yet to be paid off. Canada itself is not in anyway poor but not rich either, were just getting by, but we could easily be out of that deficit if whats his baldness from U2 wouldnt corrupt our government by guilt tripping Pauly into shelling out more and more money for this UN bullshit, certain social programs could be cut, former Primeministers dont need million dollar pension funds.
We easily could be in a surplus.

Nonskimmer · 12-22-2005, 08:32 PM

I'm staying the hell out of this one. I feel like taking a break from the politcal debates for now.

102first_hussars · 12-22-2005, 08:39 PM

What you dont like it when people compliment Mulroney?

Well I got news for ya I luv'em, GST too

Nonskimmer · 12-22-2005, 09:00 PM

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What you dont like it when people compliment Mulroney?

That's not what I mean. I'm just getting sick of discussing politics. Maybe tomorrow.

Nonskimmer · 12-23-2005, 07:18 AM

Check this out. Harper plans to bring in a new sound system and three armed icebreakers.

Talk about half-assed. Sad thing is though, it's still more than what we have already, and even if the Tories won I'd be surprised if he kept his word about it.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canadavotes2...per-dfens.html

102first_hussars · 12-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Actually thats a very realistic promise, remember NS, we cant completely rebuild the military in one sitting, like you said too much damage has been caused.

Nonskimmer · 12-23-2005, 04:56 PM

It's entirely realistic, I agree, but these are politicians after all. I'd like to think that it would simply be the beginning of a much needed expansion of the Navy, but I seriously doubt that. If we actually see it I'll be pleasantly surprised, don't get me wrong, but you know how it is here.

I don't know if you'd remember or not, but in the mid to late eighties under Mulroney we were supposed to be getting a dozen nuclear attack subs, and a base was to be established somewhere in Hudson Bay. Can you imagine now? Canada with nuclear attack subs. In a pig's eye.

(God I'm using the ol' rolly eyed smilie a lot again.)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 12-26-2005, 10:42 AM

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I beleive it, god forbid everyone should chip in fifty cents for a highway that wont kill soo many people.

I have finally found something to Envy of North Dakota.

A PLACE THAT IS RENOWNED, REVERED, AND IS THE ENVY OF THE WORLD FOR ITS TECHNOLOGICALY SUPERIOR HIGHWAY SYSTEMS

IITTSS! NOOORRRTH DAKOTAAAAA!!!

Over here in Germany we do not have toll booths and the Autobahns are kept up very nicely. I have not driven over a rough spot ever. Areas that get bad, get fixed promtly. If a government spends its money wisely it does not need to do extra taxes.