Will there ever be a heavy-weight military clash?

[plan_D]

I certainly wouldn't deny that the destruction of the Knights Templar was political. The Church had a large part in its destruction though. They could have stopped the French; and Louis should have been exocommunciated. But as all through the Middle-Ages those who had their Pope in charge had a free-hand to do as they may.

The Papacy was a large political player, more than a centre of Christendom. The destruction of the Templar shows it. I wasn't aware that the Papacy cleared the Templar Knights of Heresy though - while I was aware a lot went to the Knights of St.John.

[HealzDevo]

Although even in those wars, one side or the other, both even may try to claim that God is on their side. Name a war where one side or the other hasn't tried to evoke God as being on their side... May be different from a totally religious motivation but even still, you get the picture...

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by plan_D

I certainly wouldn't deny that the destruction of the Knights Templar was political. The Church had a large part in its destruction though. They could have stopped the French; and Louis should have been exocommunciated. But as all through the Middle-Ages those who had their Pope in charge had a free-hand to do as they may.

The Papacy was a large political player, more than a centre of Christendom. The destruction of the Templar shows it. I wasn't aware that the Papacy cleared the Templar Knights of Heresy though - while I was aware a lot went to the Knights of St.John.

Yup - and the Aragonese Order of Montesa... I agree that the Church should have supported the Templars - they did much in the service of the Church...