Your top 10 modern fighters

FLYBOYJ · 05-07-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ozumn

Well i cant stand this any more, Gripen is best modern fighter now and i dont care about bombs put them bombs on and see how good you can fight, and for now on im gonna call the f16 a bomber.

It's not invincible - it out classes the F-16 in air-to-air combat but its not an easy kill - even F-18s could take on the Gripen!!! That's the point. If the Gripen was so superior it would be able to take on 4 or 5 times its number and win - something the F-15 and F-16 has been able to do until recent times - now it's more like 2 and 3 to 1, Cope India proved that.

We haven't even brought up the F-22 or F-35 - both of them will befar superior to the Gripen or anything else fielded anywhere in the world - period!!!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-08-2006, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ozumn

Well i cant stand this any more, Gripen is best modern fighter now and i dont care about bombs put them bombs on and see how good you can fight, and for now on im gonna call the f16 a bomber.

Dont get your panties in a bunch because people dont agree with you. That is life!

Besides while the F-16 is bombing then the F-15s and F-22 will do the dog fighting and protect the F-16s. Then when the bombs are spent the F-16s will join in the fight.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-08-2006, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ozumn

107? and where would them 2000 f16 come from? if we talk war.

Well lets see the United States has over 2000 F-16s. And where would they come from well lets see there are bases in Germany like Rammstein and oh yeah I forgot about something the United States has hundreds of KC-135s and other refuelers that can refuel them in flight. Would not be a problem reaching the Grippens.

ozumn · 05-08-2006, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Well lets see the United States has over 2000 F-16s. And where would they come from well lets see there are bases in Germany like Rammstein and oh yeah I forgot about something the United States has hundreds of KC-135s and other refuelers that can refuel them in flight. Would not be a problem reaching the Grippens.

so you are talking about a war USA vs Sweden?

plan_D · 05-08-2006, 07:34 AM

You stated [i]"...if we talk war."[/i, Oznum. Providing you were offering the question seriously, Adler answered in kind. The U.S has over 2,000 F-16s. At this moment in time it's estimated that they'll be 246 JAS-39s come 2011.

I think the F-16 is winning a bit on sales. Even if you delete the sales to the U.S, it's still beating the Gripen by over a thousand. Calling the F-16 a bomber would just lead to embarassment on your part, as the F-16 is quite clearly a fighter. In an air-to-air configuration it's one of the most agile planes on the planet, and would be a hard kill for all it's contemperies. In air combat, you're going to be dead if you mistake a F-16 for a bomber ... just because it can drop bombs.

ozumn · 05-08-2006, 09:54 AM

but you all say its a better fighter because it can carry more bombs, i thought this was a poll about the best fighter and the f16 isnt better then the gripen and if there was a war i think the usa would have to fly them from the states to sweden, so what good is 2000 f16 then. This is from a Pilot who traind with the Finnish f18 he told me that 1gripen took out 6 f18 they could not see him i doubt that a f16 can do that, im looking for some truth behind that i have learnd that you cant belive all what them pilot say.

plan_D · 05-08-2006, 10:08 AM

And I heard from a F-16 pilot that he took out 20,000,000 MiG-29s before breakfast.

You are misunderstanding the point of the majority of people here. They are talking from a customer point of view, the F-16 is superior because of it's multi-role ability. That is what customers want, a plane that gives you more value for money.

In air-to-air ability the Gripen is superior to the F-16, correct. But the F-16 can take the fight further into the enemy homeland than the Gripen, and offence is the best defence. The Gripen also would not have an easy time fighting the F-16, or the F-18 for that matter.

Your argument seems to stem from "I'm Swedish, so anything Sweden build is the best," - fact of the matter is, I'm British and the F-22 (an American plane) is the best. The F-16 shows more value for money than the Gripen, as does the F-18; F-15; F-22; F-35. Basically, the Gripen is a specialised unit with little or no use outside of it's own scope. Hence the reason it's customer list is so small ... outside Sweden it has three customers, two of which are only leasing the equipment.

If the U.S fought Sweden, it would use F/A-18s operating off aircraft carriers in the North Sea, which would fight their way through the Gripens and go on to flatten their bases. If F-16s wanted to join in the fight, air-to-air refueling comes to mind.

ozumn · 05-08-2006, 01:27 PM

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In air-to-air ability the Gripen is superior to the F-16, correct. QUOTE]

Well isnt that what a fighter should do? not drop bombs.

Henk · 05-08-2006, 04:23 PM

FlyboyJ, the thing is that the SAAF and the SADF have not been so good as it has been during the Angola war, but the assholes who were causing these problems are not there any more and things are looking up for now. The thing of the Gripen is that you save in maintenance and with the cost of the aircraft that you can spend more on training.

The problem in South Africa is that the black pilots are having problems with flying the fighter aircraft and does not make it most of the time, they can not make the landings and thus were sent to Botswana for testing there because the said the instructors are racists, but Botswana tested them and came to the same conclusion, they can not land and thus not make it.

South Africa are quite famous for its safety record when it comes to its aircraft. The SAAF were very happy with the Mirrages and the upgraded Merrage F1, the Cheetah.

Here is a pic of the Mirrage and then the Cheetah (the grey one). I got it from a site where they talked about a game that is based on the Bush War in Angola, a flight simulator.

Mirrage:

Cheetah:

I think that the Mirrage are mostly not even talked about and its success is also mostly forgotton.

Henk

FLYBOYJ · 05-09-2006, 02:40 AM

Very Cool! I spent time in Botswana with the BDF and their F-5s....Same situation...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-09-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ozumn

but you all say its a better fighter because it can carry more bombs, i thought this was a poll about the best fighter and the f16 isnt better then the gripen and if there was a war i think the usa would have to fly them from the states to sweden, so what good is 2000 f16 then. This is from a Pilot who traind with the Finnish f18 he told me that 1gripen took out 6 f18 they could not see him i doubt that a f16 can do that, im looking for some truth behind that i have learnd that you cant belive all what them pilot say.

That is not the point.

Besides within 24 hours the USAF could deploy whatever it needs to bases in England and Germany (ever heard of RAF Lakenheath, Mildenhall and Rammstein and Spangdalem AFB) and from those they could reach well into Sweden.

Besides plan_D hit the nail on the head. The F-16 overall is a more superior aircraft because it can do a wider roll.

FLYBOYJ · 05-09-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ozumn

but you all say its a better fighter because it can carry more bombs, i thought this was a poll about the best fighter and the f16 isnt better then the gripen and if there was a war i think the usa would have to fly them from the states to sweden, so what good is 2000 f16 then. This is from a Pilot who traind with the Finnish f18 he told me that 1gripen took out 6 f18 they could not see him i doubt that a f16 can do that, im looking for some truth behind that i have learnd that you cant belive all what them pilot say.

He may be correct, but think about this - the Finnish AF F-18s have The AN/APG-73 fire-control radar. The Hornet's onboard computer is manufactured by Valmet. They might not of had an upgrade since 1998 or 99 so the scenario is possible. The US aircraft (F-16 and F-18 ) are going to be equipped with much more powerful radar and I doubt the same thing would happen if an exercise was conducted against US aircraft....

Given the right scenario the Gripen would most certainly take out multiple targets if it could stay on station long enough to do so.

ozumn · 05-09-2006, 07:22 PM

Got some more info about them f18 they were almost fully armed i guess thats why it was easy must have been like a big blimp on the radar screen.

And Adler if the US for some reason was going to war against sweden im not sure that eu would let them use there air space oh and yeah still think gripen rules

lesofprimus · 05-09-2006, 09:26 PM

Are we forgetting that the AWACS would have picked up that Grippen long before the Grippen locked in ANY American aircraft, let alone the F-18 with a superior radar set...

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if the US for some reason was going to war against sweden im not sure that eu would let them use there air space

Have u ever heard of something called Aircraft Carriers and Cruise Missles???

A war with Sweden would end very quickly pal....

Hunter368 · 05-09-2006, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ozumn

Got some more info about them f18 they were almost fully armed i guess thats why it was easy must have been like a big blimp on the radar screen.

And Adler if the US for some reason was going to war against sweden im not sure that eu would let them use there air space oh and yeah still think gripen rules

A war between USA and Sweden?????? lol Thats funny, calling it a war would be alittle ....... over stating it..... more like a "war game" or "target pratice".