Your top 10 modern fighters

plan_D · 05-14-2006, 11:34 AM

Even using guerilla tactics, you cannot defeat the U.S in a war. It is the single most powerful military that this world has ever encountered. In comparitive terms to other militaries of today, it far exceeds anything in history. Even the Royal Navy in it's heyday was not as far advanced above other nations as the U.S military is now.

If the U.S had to fight South Africa, or Sweden, or Britain, or India, or Iran ... or anyone. It has the economy and military strength to wipe out any chance of defeat within a few days.

The U.S could simply station it's massive fleet in the oceans around it's target nation, and slaughter it from the air. The only nation in my list with any chance of survival, or the biggest delay, would be Britain because the Royal Navy could answer in kind with it's own fleet. But it would only cost more lives and not secure a victory.

Once the airfields and HQ of the nation had been smashed. The U.S could land it's Marines and Airborne with great efficiency, the equipment available to them is unsurpassed. Any land forces would be blown away by the USAF and USN, and the land forces would be simply mopping up. The only real problem would be the guerilla warfare afterwards, of which the nations with the greatest trained special forces would be the most deadly ... but this isn't going to stop the U.S. Iraq has lost the war, the U.S has done what it wanted to do. And the losses are tiny in comparison to past conflicts.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-15-2006, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

many of those there don't consider it a mess...

My brother did 2 tours in Nam - was never the same..

Many of the ones I've met (they were from Fort Carson) are proud of what they did and have stated that the media doesn't give a good account of what goes on there. One guy I met said the ones he really enjoyed seeing killed are the non-Iraqis, terrorists from other countries that wanted to go there to fight. I was told that they make up about 10% of the combatants.

No soldier wants to be detached from family but it seems most of the US soldiers in Iraq still have high morale and there are still many stateside willing to go over there.....

You just hit the nail on the head my friend. The media does not cover what we are doing over there. They do not cover the good will that we bring, the schools that we have the built, the fact that Baghdad has plumming again. They show only the death and the bad things that happen and us soldiers get the blame for it. I hate the media and so does just about every other soldier that I know.

When we were in Iraq I hated flying the media and I told them that. I asked them why can not show what we are doing and they just grinned and said it was there job.

About the moral you are correct as well. We all hated being away from our families and friends for over a year but we did the best we could and we became a family in ourselves and we helped each other through it and together with this "military family" that we became we kept each other in good spirits and made the best of it.

These memories with my fellow comrads I will never forget and will allways remember and I will allways love my fellow soldiers that I went to war with as brothers.

Bullockracing · 05-15-2006, 07:27 PM

AMEN!!! PREACH ON BROTHER ADLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FLYBOYJ · 05-15-2006, 08:55 PM

102first_hussars · 05-16-2006, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pbfoot

Henk your artillery was built in South Africa but designed by a guy called Gerald Bull who was not South African but the probably the best ballistic engineer you should read up on him and see what he did with the 16" guns from the US Navy

Yes, he also tried developing the the so called 'Super Gun' for the Iraqis before GW1, then being assasinated by possibly Israeili or American secret services

Gnomey · 05-16-2006, 03:49 AM

Good stuff Adler!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-16-2006, 07:08 AM

Thankyou, thankyou, I will be here all week!

lesofprimus · 05-16-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Henk

I know about him. He made that mother of a gun from the barrels of 16 inch guns and later were killed by the Israelis because he was building this big gun for Iraq. He tried to smuggle it into Iraq making as if the parts of the barrel was for oil pipes and almost succeeded.

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Originally Posted by hussars

Yes, he also tried developing the the so called 'Super Gun' for the Iraqis before GW1, then being assasinated by possibly Israeili or American secret services

Henk beat ya to it hussars...

syscom3 · 05-16-2006, 12:20 PM

When I was working in French Guiana, I had to transit through Barbados. Those barrels were abandoned on the beach near the airport and I saw them wehn we took off.

I have to check my video's from back then. I might have grabbed a quick shot of them rom the airplane.

One thing I remember, is they were huge, even from altitude. looked like huge sections of pipes from an oil refinery.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-17-2006, 01:42 PM

Did any of the surviving pieces survive and end up in museums or anything?

Glider · 05-17-2006, 04:19 PM

In the American Hanger at Duxford there is a part of the super gun and to be honest, unless you were told that it was part of a gun you would decribe it as part of a pipeline.

There was a huge stink over here at the time. The company that built it was British and technically it wa a difficult thing to make. They knew that it was way over specified for a pipeline and tipped off the security services. The company were told to carry on building it and let MI5 know what was going on.

When the mud hit the fan the goverment denied everything and had the company directors charged for arms offences. Fortunately the company had a number of records that made the charge unsustainable. They had even a advertising film made showing the 'pipes' under construction showing that they could produce such technically difficult pipelines.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-18-2006, 05:14 AM

Okay cool.

Peppst3r · 11-02-2006, 09:36 AM

If the F16 is bether, why did 2 gripen(griffins) "kill" 4 F16c in a simulated combat.

jas39 gripen isn't made for single fligh or with one wingman, its primary roll is to fly in a group of 4, then it becomes wery dangerus.

FLYBOYJ · 11-02-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Peppst3r

If the F16 is bether, why did 2 gripen(griffins) "kill" 4 F16c in a simulated combat.

jas39 gripen isn't made for single fligh or with one wingman, its primary roll is to fly in a group of 4, then it becomes wery dangerus.

And a P-3 Orion sunk the aircraft carrier Kittyhawk in simulated combat. Your point?

F-16C - block 25, 20 years old, try against a block 60 F-16 which is more in line with your precious Gripen....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-02-2006, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Peppst3r

If the F16 is bether, why did 2 gripen(griffins) "kill" 4 F16c in a simulated combat.

What were the conditions of the flight? Who was flying it? What kind of package was in the F-16? There are so many factors that play into it.

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Originally Posted by Peppst3r

jas39 gripen isn't made for single fligh or with one wingman, its primary roll is to fly in a group of 4, then it becomes wery dangerus.

That does not say much about the Gripen. Think about what you are saying. As a single aircraft or when only in groups of 2 or 3 it is not dangerous.

Most airforces have there aircraft fly in tandem such as 2 aircraft as wingmen. 2 F-16s let alone 1 are very deadly...

Not saying the Gripen is not a good aircraft. I think it is a great aircraft but what makes the F-16 better is its vesatility. The F-16 can be used in so many roles and is highly effective in all of them.