Music Discussion Thread

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Speaking of great concerts. Me and plan_D were at this one last year! Hell yeah it was a great show!

YouTube - Metallica - Creeping Death - Rock Am Ring 2006

[SpitfireKing]

I really do envy you. I haven't been to one yet. I could've went to the Carnival of Sins concert. But nope, mom stepped in.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Here is another clip from that same show. That was the 9th time I have seen them since the 80s.

YouTube - Metallica - Fade to Black (Rock am Ring 2006)

[SpitfireKing]

There good, though I don't think there the best.

[Udet]

Adler:

Don´t you think that´s kind of a bizarre logic? I do not know the names of the members of an outstanding band then i am clueless as to the kind of music the make.

Seems quite incorrect. I know who David Gilmour is, but i do not know the names of the other Pink Floyd guys...does that make me clueless about their style of music?

I know who super-drummer/percussionist Neil Pearth is...but i do not know the names of the other 2 guys, both seriously fine musicians too...am i clueless about their music?

That Cornell guy...good, so he was the vocalist of RIP Soundgarden...it will not make me clueless about their music. Soundgarden was in my view a very competitive band even if their style is not for me.

Please note i just mentioned cases of bands i will not buy their albums-i do not say they "suck", rather it is a matter of mere chemistry-...so it pretty much works like this: if i am deeply touched by their sound i might acquire their music.

It will sound even more radical to tell i do not know the names of most musicians of the bands i listen to everyday....

Now if you go ahead and ask me about albums, release dates, singles, special editions of the bands i am into believe me i will not miss one single shot.

With all this i mean that with only a few exceptions, the names of the musicians -even in the bands i like- are neither a concern nor an issue.

I know who Trent Reznor is (NIN) but usually ignore the names of the other musicians taking part in NIN´s music.

I know who Ogre is (Skinny Puppy) but i tend to forget the names of the other mates.

I know who Alan Jurgensen is (Ministry) but will forget or ignore the names of the other guys.

I know who Rick 23 is (Revolting Cocks- also featuring Ministry´s Alan Jurgensen) but not know the names of the other guys. And the list could go on and on...

I am nearly 100% underground...mtv and subsidiaries radiate a certain stench that keeps me away from almost everything they support, and with that i do not mean i will discard good bands off hand just because their music appears on mtv.

What makes me shake my head in disbelief is to see how those large music corporations are always tricking the audience...again, the Seattle case...well, read music editorials everywhere and the city is indeed depicted as some sort of "craddle" of fine musicians in 1990; witful and brilliant musicians were available in "such huge numbers" in Seattle the whole thing "exploded" in such a manner the world "had to be advised on the existance of that paradise or superior state of a new kind of music...the so-called grunge".

I will repeat my words: by 1990 Seattle was not any better in terms of good bands than NYC, London, Mexico City, Rio de Janeiro, Berlin, Moscow, Kiev or Odessa...the succes of a determined kind of music and/or city will mainly depend on those whose job is to "discover" or "support" bands.

As i was advised by guys currently in their early-late 30s, the heavy metal bands dissappeared from MTV broadcasts virtually overnight; so the next morning there was something "new" for breakfast: the "Grunge" bands and the "Seattle Music Scene".

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Udet

Adler:

Don´t you think that´s kind of a bizarre logic? I do not know the names of the members of an outstanding band then i am clueless as to the kind of music the make.

Did I say you were clueless. I said that if you dont know who a singer is you can not judge him.

[SpitfireKing]

Well, talk to everyone tommorow.

[Udet]

You are correct, but i was not quoting you. I read what you said. The thing was revolving around the idea the names of the bandmates must be known to have a clearer view on the music a band makes.

Tell me Adler, is it accurate what those guys who were in their late teens, and early/mid twenties during the heavy metal era of MTV told me? That the heavy metal bands vanished from mtv just like a whistle to let the new thing come? I do not know your age, but who knows, chances are you could have witnessed what they told me.

Someone said they dislike rap...i do too (BIG TIME) possibly the poorest, weakest musical style ever...however, there is one sole case of a song that has included rap-style vocals that i have tolerated so far: Ministry, one of the main aggressive industrial bands ever, included one song named "Test" on their album "The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste". A guest vocalist was brought to the studio. Only the vocals...the music is that of a purely industrial song.

Check it if you feel in the mood.

[SpitfireKing]

Well, I hate rap like hell itself. But one song I do like, when Aeromsith has Run DMC do Walk this Way with them.

[plan_D]

I would have gone to watch Shinedown, but I didn't know they were there. I'll see them at some point I'm sure.

"I will repeat my words: by 1990 Seattle was not any better in terms of good bands than NYC, London, Mexico City, Rio de Janeiro, Berlin, Moscow, Kiev or Odessa...the succes of a determined kind of music and/or city will mainly depend on those whose job is to "discover" or "support" bands."


Udet, the "Grunge" scene didn't all come from Seattle. If you actually took some time to look into anything, you'll see that those in the "Seattle scene" came from all over the U.S - and the world. Soundgarden, for example, were from California.
MTV caught on to "Grunge" many years after it had already been around. Grunge was an underground music scene that DID form in Seattle, all the original bands were from Seattle. But not all grunge bands were caught by MTV - you'll have never heard of Gruntruk, for example.

What ticked me off the most was you calling it a bore because MTV discovered it. Well I say, good on MTV for telling the world about such great music. And it's pretty obvious to the world of rock that the Grunge scene was pretty damn great, since the likes of Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Soundgarden have influenced rock ever since.

And Udet while you may travel the world, you still don't know anything. Your comments on Germany for one made me laugh, when one single visit made me realise how wrong you were. The reason the Germans may have seemed boring to you was probably because they all thought you were a dick. Try mingling in the countries you go to, especially in Germany where they're all great fun. It was funny when you argued with Chris about that actually, when he actually lives there. And my friends in Seattle got a good laugh from your comments on Seattle, they discovered, thanks to you...that they don't live in Seattle because they like Grunge, and people from Seattle don't like grunge.

[Udet]

Spitfireking...i heard that song a while ago, and i was told it was very well liked by fans. Also i was told something like it was one of the first rap-rock experiments to became a hit song.

[lesofprimus]

Just as a refresher for the members, and an enlightenment to the noobs, my favorite bands with the top 5 being just that.... 6-10 are tossups regarding order...

1. Clutch
2. Primus
3. Helmet
4. Soundgarden
5. Tool
_______
6-10

Sevendust
Steromud
Audioslave
Rage Against The Machine
Metallica Up Ur Ass
________

And the Bottom 30 or so... Best of the Rest.......

OLD Staind
Nirvana
Faith No More
Boy Hits Car
Boiler Room
Machine Head
Limp Bizkit
Korn
Deftones
Prong
Black Label Society
Biohazard
Smashing Pumpkins
Silverchair
Kittie
Jimmies Chicken Shack
Downset
Barkmarket
Fudge Tunnel
Rollins Band
System of a Down
Godsmack
Seether
The Beastie Boys
Slayer
I Mother Earth
White Zombie
Pantera
Mudhoney
Incubis
Soil
Melvins
Karma to Burn
Kings X
Pearl Jam
RUSH
ACDC
OLD Van Halen

[plan_D]

Good to see SOil entering the list there, Dan.

[Udet]

Sevendust...that´s an interesting band. Excellent music. I recall a pub where they´d play the "Praise" video several times during the night.

What do you think of the band´s vocalist? Heard some guys saying it was a shame such a powerful band decided to include a black guy as vocalist (in accordance with them, the voice of black guys is not that suitable for singing aggressive rock).

[lesofprimus]

Yes Im into the Soil pD, thanks for the steer....

I like Lajon Witherspoon from Sevendust very very much....