Worlds Greatest Rock & Roll Band... - Page 12 - Aircraft of World War II

Lucky13 · 05-11-2008, 03:22 PM

As wikipedia says:
"Rock and roll (also known as rock 'n' roll) is a form of music that evolved in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and quickly spread to the rest of the world.

Classic rock and roll is played with one or two electric guitars (one lead, one rhythm), a string bass or (after the mid-1950s) an electric bass guitar, and a drum kit. In the earliest rock and roll styles of the late 1940s and early 1950s, either the piano or saxophone was often the lead instrument, but these were generally replaced or supplemented by guitar in the mid to late 1950s. The beat is essentially a boogie woogie blues rhythm with an accentuated backbeat, the latter almost always provided by a snare drum.

The massive popularity and eventual worldwide view of rock and roll gave it an unprecedented social impact. Far beyond simply a musical style, rock and roll, as seen in movies and in the new medium of television, influenced lifestyles, fashion, attitudes, and language. It went on to spawn various sub-genres, often without the characteristic backbeat, that are more properly called simply 'rock music'."

Now, this makes me wonder, how many of these can be called rock n roll bands, if they can, where's Buddy Holly and the Crickets, Johnny Burnette Rock n Roll Trio etc. etc...? I mean not many of them use "one or two electric guitars (one lead, one rhythm), a string bass or (after the mid-1950s) an electric bass guitar, and a drum kit", or play with a "backbeat"? Aren't these more a "derivative form" of rock n roll?

Stylistic origins:
Gospel
Folk music
Blues
Western swing

Cultural origins
United States in the period up to the 1950s

Typical instruments
Electric guitar, string bass or later bass guitar, drums, piano, saxophone

Mainstream popularity
One of the best selling music forms since the 1950s

Derivative forms
Rock, soft rock, pop

Another thing...many of my heroes, Buddy Holly, Eddie Cochran, Johnny Burnette, are dead, but still they talk about and play their music and that after been gone for almost 50! years, isn't that a sign of true greatness I don't know what is....still they're not on the list.
How many of these will be remembered and worshipped in 50 or so years...?

I'm gonna put in a few smilies here so you that I'm NOT criticizing anyone's choice of music etc., but just having a good discussion with a group of friends...

tongue in cheek and all that stuff..

Next round of beers are on me fellas!

Njaco · 05-11-2008, 03:34 PM

Thats 2 rounds now Lucky! Can't wait...................................

Heinz, "Gloves of Metal" were about the only song by them I could listen to.

Elvis · 05-11-2008, 03:36 PM

...beer?...free?....Free beer?.....HEY EVERYONE! FREE BEER!!!!!

...you're gonna BBQ some chicken and ribs to go with that Beer, right?

(just kidding

)

Actually, I'm supposing that you're stating that most of the bands listed, such as Lynyrd Skynyrd, Led Zeppelin and Metallica aren't actually "Rock-n-Roll" bands, but fall under a sub-heading under that?

...hmmm, I guess I could see that.
I see the flip side, where it's all Rock-n-Roll, its simply matured and diversafied over the years.
Much like Jazz did in the decades before.

So I guess if you had to stick to ONLY that list, your choice might be The Beach Boys, only because they fit closest to that definition of genre?

Elvis

Lucky13 · 05-11-2008, 03:48 PM

Of course....you'll need to get here to Glasgow though...as I've said before, ANYONE coming to Glasgow, let me know and I'll buy a few rounds...!

That's right Njaco, TWO rounds....

You're right Elvis...

tomo pauk · 02-05-2009, 11:20 AM

Voted for Maidens.

Now if they would sack Geers...

Yerger · 06-12-2009, 03:34 PM

rock and metal listed, 2 different

no Blue Oyster Cult means a no vote

lesofprimus · 06-12-2009, 04:18 PM

If ur gonna rank BOC over ACDC or Metallica u need to get ur hearing checked man...

As far as combining the 2 sounds, rock and metal, I did that for a reason....

diddyriddick · 06-12-2009, 04:28 PM

Where is the E Street Band?

Yerger · 06-12-2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

If ur gonna rank BOC over ACDC or Metallica u need to get ur hearing checked man...

As far as combining the 2 sounds, rock and metal, I did that for a reason....

all a matter of opinion, and obviously concert attending experince in combination with actual technical music knowledge. Dharma far more diverse than Angus though the latter a great player as well.

Metallica a sold out commercial band for years as seen on any metal forum. Fine at the start, I saw Mustaine play with them when still unknown. But long since a sell out.

lesofprimus · 06-12-2009, 08:09 PM

Agreed on the Metallica part, but as I myself have seen BOC 3 times back in the day, RUSH a dozen or so and ACDC 4, I think ur insane to actually compare them to any of the bands listed above....

vikingBerserker · 06-12-2009, 08:15 PM

I have to go with Kiss, they really invited the stage show.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-13-2009, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yerger

Metallica a sold out commercial band for years as seen on any metal forum. Fine at the start, I saw Mustaine play with them when still unknown. But long since a sell out.

Ah bullshit! That is a such a ****ing copout to say they sold out. The music has been amazing and still is. People only say such things because it has become cool to say such things!

I have been a fan of the might Met since the 80s. Seen them 12 times now including 2 times last month (even got to meet the band a few weeks ago), and will be seeing them again on July 4th. The band is amazing live even today.

Opinions are opinions, everyone has one and that is fine, but stop using the fricken sold out BS. It has gotten really really old...

Just because a band evolves there sound, does not mean they sold out. My favorite are the idiots who say they sold out with the Black Album only because it is so well produced. It was the right album at the right time.

Long live Metallica!

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingBerserker

I have to go with Kiss, they really invited the stage show.

They do put on a great stage show! Seen them a few times now.

View Poll Results: Worlds Greatest Rock & Roll Band...
Led Zeppelin	8	12.90%
Pink Floyd	3	4.84%
The Beatles	4	6.45%
The Rolling Stones	6	9.68%
The Who	1	1.61%
Queen	6	9.68%
Black Sabbath	2	3.23%
The Sex Pistols	0	0%
The Beach Boys	0	0%
The Doors	1	1.61%
The Ramones	1	1.61%
The Grateful Dead	0	0%
Van Halen	0	0%
KISS	1	1.61%
RUSH	2	3.23%
AC/DC	7	11.29%
Lynyrd Skynyrd	0	0%
Aerosmith	0	0%
Judas Priest	0	0%
Iron Maiden	3	4.84%
Metallica	9	14.52%
Slayer	0	0%
Guns n' Roses	0	0%
Ozzy Ozbourne	0	0%
Soundgarden	1	1.61%
Nirvana	1	1.61%
Pearl Jam	1	1.61%
U2	3	4.84%
Rage Against The Machine	1	1.61%
Jimi Hendrix and The Experience	0	0%
Motorhead	1	1.61%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

05-11-2008, 03:22 PM	#166
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	As wikipedia says: "Rock and roll (also known as rock 'n' roll) is a form of music that evolved in the United States in the late 1940s and early 1950s, and quickly spread to the rest of the world. Classic rock and roll is played with one or two electric guitars (one lead, one rhythm), a string bass or (after the mid-1950s) an electric bass guitar, and a drum kit. In the earliest rock and roll styles of the late 1940s and early 1950s, either the piano or saxophone was often the lead instrument, but these were generally replaced or supplemented by guitar in the mid to late 1950s. The beat is essentially a boogie woogie blues rhythm with an accentuated backbeat, the latter almost always provided by a snare drum. The massive popularity and eventual worldwide view of rock and roll gave it an unprecedented social impact. Far beyond simply a musical style, rock and roll, as seen in movies and in the new medium of television, influenced lifestyles, fashion, attitudes, and language. It went on to spawn various sub-genres, often without the characteristic backbeat, that are more properly called simply 'rock music'." Now, this makes me wonder, how many of these can be called rock n roll bands, if they can, where's Buddy Holly and the Crickets, Johnny Burnette Rock n Roll Trio etc. etc...? I mean not many of them use "one or two electric guitars (one lead, one rhythm), a string bass or (after the mid-1950s) an electric bass guitar, and a drum kit", or play with a "backbeat"? Aren't these more a "derivative form" of rock n roll? Stylistic origins: Gospel Folk music Blues Western swing Cultural origins United States in the period up to the 1950s Typical instruments Electric guitar, string bass or later bass guitar, drums, piano, saxophone Mainstream popularity One of the best selling music forms since the 1950s Derivative forms Rock, soft rock, pop Another thing...many of my heroes, Buddy Holly, Eddie Cochran, Johnny Burnette, are dead, but still they talk about and play their music and that after been gone for almost 50! years, isn't that a sign of true greatness I don't know what is....still they're not on the list. How many of these will be remembered and worshipped in 50 or so years...? I'm gonna put in a few smilies here so you that I'm NOT criticizing anyone's choice of music etc., but just having a good discussion with a group of friends... tongue in cheek and all that stuff.. Next round of beers are on me fellas! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

05-11-2008, 03:34 PM	#167
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	Thats 2 rounds now Lucky! Can't wait................................... Heinz, "Gloves of Metal" were about the only song by them I could listen to. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

05-11-2008, 03:48 PM	#169
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	Of course....you'll need to get here to Glasgow though...as I've said before, ANYONE coming to Glasgow, let me know and I'll buy a few rounds...! That's right Njaco, TWO rounds.... You're right Elvis... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

06-12-2009, 04:18 PM	#172
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	If ur gonna rank BOC over ACDC or Metallica u need to get ur hearing checked man... As far as combining the 2 sounds, rock and metal, I did that for a reason.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

05-11-2008, 03:36 PM	#168
Elvis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Little Norway, U.S.A. Posts: 811	...beer?...free?....Free beer?.....HEY EVERYONE! FREE BEER!!!!! ...you're gonna BBQ some chicken and ribs to go with that Beer, right? (just kidding ) Actually, I'm supposing that you're stating that most of the bands listed, such as Lynyrd Skynyrd, Led Zeppelin and Metallica aren't actually "Rock-n-Roll" bands, but fall under a sub-heading under that? ...hmmm, I guess I could see that. I see the flip side, where it's all Rock-n-Roll, its simply matured and diversafied over the years. Much like Jazz did in the decades before. So I guess if you had to stick to ONLY that list, your choice might be The Beach Boys, only because they fit closest to that definition of genre? Elvis

02-05-2009, 11:20 AM	#170
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 588	Voted for Maidens. Now if they would sack Geers...

06-12-2009, 03:34 PM	#171
Yerger Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 89	rock and metal listed, 2 different no Blue Oyster Cult means a no vote

06-12-2009, 04:28 PM	#173
diddyriddick Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Hamlet, NC, US Posts: 723	Where is the E Street Band?

06-12-2009, 08:09 PM	#175
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,501	Agreed on the Metallica part, but as I myself have seen BOC 3 times back in the day, RUSH a dozen or so and ACDC 4, I think ur insane to actually compare them to any of the bands listed above.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-12-2009, 08:15 PM	#176
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,760	I have to go with Kiss, they really invited the stage show. __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

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