Sarkozy refuses invite royals D Day 65th-Anniversary - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

Njaco · 06-03-2009, 09:04 PM

Don't know if its a snub, media overload or what but at least an invitation to the one Head-of-State that actually served in WWII - the Queen - would have been nice.

DFM+BB · 06-04-2009, 05:58 AM

I'm french and I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for this...

BombTaxi · 06-04-2009, 05:58 AM

It's none of the above Njaco, it is up to Brown to invite the Queen, not Sarkozy. No-one is snubbing anyone, although it is well known that Brown's relationship with the Queen has been disintegrating since she stepped in and told him to sort his government out. At the moment, he'll be lucky to be PM this time next week, so let's hope the next one does a better job...

Rabid, I was interested by your claim that some textbooks blame the British for the early disasters in the Battle of the Bulge. My own understanding was that British troops weren't involved - although if you read some histories, you would think the British stopped fighting after Alamein anyway...

EDIT: DFM, you have nothing to be sorry for mate, it seems to be a blundering idiot this end that is causing the problem.

Ferdinand Foch · 06-04-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

The one comfort I have is that she will grow up with as thorough an understanding of WW2 (and to a lesser extent, WW1/Korea/Vietnam/GulfWar/Iraq) as I can give her. She will have a thorough respect for the military forces of all nations. And she will know how to politely tell her PC teachers exactly where they can stuff it.

Great idea RA, I think I'll follow your example when I have kids.

Events like these are just too important to be told to students in all of about ten minutes.

DFM: Don't worry man, we have idiots on our side of the atlantic too. I remember back in middle school, when the Second Gulf War started, that we had a lot of people (especially down South) call French fries "Freedom fires," and French toast "freedom toast."

badbear · 06-08-2009, 05:02 AM

Bl**dy french T***pot .? no offence to you dfm+bb

vikingBerserker · 06-08-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferdinand Foch

DFM: Don't worry man, we have idiots on our side of the atlantic too. I remember back in middle school, when the Second Gulf War started, that we had a lot of people (especially down South) call French fries "Freedom fires," and French toast "freedom toast."

(VB plays the banjo to help get the full effect)

badbear · 06-08-2009, 06:23 AM

And as for gordon brown what a complete%^*t and a *&%£er nuff said can,t stand the bloke should be stood in a field and napalmed sorry if thats a bit strong but he really gets my back up.BB

HerrKaleut · 06-08-2009, 01:14 PM

Just a small point. Protocol and precedence dictate that an invite is sent from the French gov. to Buckingham Palace and a CC to Downing St. Although Brown is P.M., Her Maj. is still the head of state (albeit with no real constitutional powers). How many years have these commemorations been happening,one would have thought they could get it right. Both sides of the channel knew what should have occured.
IMO it was a snub of the first magnitude, and if it is down to Gordon Brown.....to the Tower of London with him

As for the french, send a gunboat up the Seine and nail the Union Flag to the top of the Eifel Tower

Soundbreaker Welch? · 06-08-2009, 06:33 PM

It's too bad this happened. The British did a tough job on D-day, just watch the movie.

Bernhart · 06-09-2009, 12:28 AM

I read somewhere intial plan was to be just a franco american thing, from The French governments plan.

A4K · 06-10-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

. And she will know how to politely tell her PC teachers exactly where they can stuff it.

Just choose her words carefully! I made an enemy for life with an ex RNZAF WWII vet when I was 12. He taught us GSK in the local ATC unit, and tried to tell us one day that "The only contender for the Spitfire in WW II was the Messerschmitt 109". I asked "What about the Focke-Wulf 190? The Mk.V was developed to counter it". He just rambled off angrily that he 'wasn't talking about the 190!' and never liked me from that time on!

Had a few similar run-ins with him and others later on too. Just because someone is younger dosen't mean they don't know anything!

RabidAlien · 06-12-2009, 01:25 PM

BT, its been years since 9th grade History, but I recall bein rather confused as to whether or not the Bulge was caused by our replacement troops, sent to the "quiet" Ardennes for seasoning, or because Montgomery panicked and took forever to get back on the offensive. I guess every country wants a version of history that makes their guys look better, its only natural. Still, I know enough now to know better. Had it been Eisenhower hitting a seam between the Germans and the Italians (provided they weren't intermingled to provide some good German backbone to the Italian forces), the plan might've worked. The Allies (all of em) were made of better stuff.

Naoned · 07-12-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I honestly can not believe how they can do this. It was Allied invasion and Britain and Canada made up a big part of it.

In my opinion if this is true, France is disgracing the honor of the other allied soldiers who died to liberate France. Very ungrateful! I think there has to be more to this. They had to have invited at least the British Prime Minister.

I have a feeling there is more to this and the Press is blowing it way out of proportion. If you read the article it says that the British are invited, and they get to decide who comes. The French govt. will not dictate who the British delegation is.

I don't know...

i give you the real reason: N Sarkozy wanted to be alone on the pics with B Obama !!

I'm french and i can tell you i was realy disgused by that decision,in fact the queen is the only person who realy participated to WW2 !!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-12-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Naoned

i give you the real reason: N Sarkozy wanted to be alone on the pics with B Obama !!

I'm french and i can tell you i was realy disgused by that decision,in fact the queen is the only person who realy participated to WW2 !!

There is much more to the story, finish reading the thread.

freebird · 07-12-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

BT, its been years since 9th grade History, but I recall bein rather confused as to whether or not the Bulge was caused by our replacement troops, sent to the "quiet" Ardennes for seasoning, or because Montgomery panicked and took forever to get back on the offensive. .

More likely the former, as the British didn't have much to do with the Bulge, except at the end were brought in as reserves as the situation was becoming critical

06-03-2009, 09:04 PM	#31
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,228	Don't know if its a snub, media overload or what but at least an invitation to the one Head-of-State that actually served in WWII - the Queen - would have been nice. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

06-04-2009, 05:58 AM	#33
BombTaxi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brownhills, W. Mids, UK Posts: 1,189	It's none of the above Njaco, it is up to Brown to invite the Queen, not Sarkozy. No-one is snubbing anyone, although it is well known that Brown's relationship with the Queen has been disintegrating since she stepped in and told him to sort his government out. At the moment, he'll be lucky to be PM this time next week, so let's hope the next one does a better job... Rabid, I was interested by your claim that some textbooks blame the British for the early disasters in the Battle of the Bulge. My own understanding was that British troops weren't involved - although if you read some histories, you would think the British stopped fighting after Alamein anyway... EDIT: DFM, you have nothing to be sorry for mate, it seems to be a blundering idiot this end that is causing the problem. __________________ Good generals think about tactics. Great generals think about logistics. "If freedom is to be saved and enlarged, poverty must be ended. There is no other solution." - Nye Bevan "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" - John Donne, Meditation XVII

06-08-2009, 01:14 PM	#38
HerrKaleut Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Darkest Norfolk, U.K. Posts: 71	Protocol Just a small point. Protocol and precedence dictate that an invite is sent from the French gov. to Buckingham Palace and a CC to Downing St. Although Brown is P.M., Her Maj. is still the head of state (albeit with no real constitutional powers). How many years have these commemorations been happening,one would have thought they could get it right. Both sides of the channel knew what should have occured. IMO it was a snub of the first magnitude, and if it is down to Gordon Brown.....to the Tower of London with him As for the french, send a gunboat up the Seine and nail the Union Flag to the top of the Eifel Tower

06-08-2009, 06:33 PM	#39
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,893	It's too bad this happened. The British did a tough job on D-day, just watch the movie. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

06-12-2009, 01:25 PM	#42
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,823	BT, its been years since 9th grade History, but I recall bein rather confused as to whether or not the Bulge was caused by our replacement troops, sent to the "quiet" Ardennes for seasoning, or because Montgomery panicked and took forever to get back on the offensive. I guess every country wants a version of history that makes their guys look better, its only natural. Still, I know enough now to know better. Had it been Eisenhower hitting a seam between the Germans and the Italians (provided they weren't intermingled to provide some good German backbone to the Italian forces), the plan might've worked. The Allies (all of em) were made of better stuff. __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

06-04-2009, 05:58 AM	#32
DFM+BB Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 35	I'm french and I just wanted to say that I'm sorry for this...

06-08-2009, 05:02 AM	#35
badbear Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 358	Bldy french T*pot .? no offence to you dfm+bb

06-08-2009, 06:23 AM	#37
badbear Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 358	And as for gordon brown what a complete%^t and a &%£er nuff said can,t stand the bloke should be stood in a field and napalmed sorry if thats a bit strong but he really gets my back up.BB

06-09-2009, 12:28 AM	#40
Bernhart Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 202	I read somewhere intial plan was to be just a franco american thing, from The French governments plan.

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