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renrich · 04-18-2007, 04:26 PM

I guess I am not really advocating a return of the draft. For one thing I believe there are more technical skills needed in the US Army(where most draftees would go) Draftees probably would not have the educational background or motivation to satisfy the needs of an ever more technical military. Plus a draft system would have to deal with the female problem. In order to be PC you would have to draft females on an equal basis with males. My daughters are too old for the draft now, but if they were not, they would be drafted over my dead body, unless our country had run out of men. What I am talking about is some kind of National Service where 18 years old males would have a mandatory 10 weeks comparable to basic training where they would learn some thing about discipline, drill, teamwork, Code of Conduct, the rifle and marksmanship and the ethical and moral values of the US Military. Sure could not hurt anyone but I guess I am going against my conservative belief in less government not more. That sort of program would be a monumental undertaking and be very costly. Anyway, I am thankful for the short time I spent in uniform.

mkloby · 04-18-2007, 11:15 PM

I think one of the biggest problem facing the military now is retention. We keep losing good NCOs and officers getting out because they're tired of seeing their children age in photographs. Obviously, there's not a whole lot that can be done about this right now...
Compulsory service would be massively expensive, and doesn't fit America's need right now, in my opinion. There's just too high of a volume of males coming of age annually... I know you weren't actually serious, though.

renrich · 04-19-2007, 10:15 AM

I was actually serious for a minute or two but realise that compulsory national service is neither practical or practicable. The left's answer to every problem in society is more government, higher taxes and more government control of our lives. I am not welcome in that camp.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-19-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by mkloby

I think one of the biggest problem facing the military now is retention. We keep losing good NCOs and officers getting out because they're tired of seeing their children age in photographs. Obviously, there's not a whole lot that can be done about this right now...

And that is why I got out. After being deployed twice for 22 months in a 29 month time period and knowing that another 15 months of deployment would 9 to 12 months down the road again, I decided my family was more important to me.

Another reason was money as well. I can do the same job that I did in the Army on the Civilian side and make more money and not have to be away from my family for months on end.

Canberra Man · 06-03-2008, 03:34 PM

I can really lay claim to being in all three. When I left school in 1944, I started work as a Naval messenger on the Grimsby Naval Base, HMS Beaver, I was there for two years. Then came National Service in 1948, Royal Artillery Ack Ack. Being a glutton for punishment, I was in the Royal Air Force three months after leaving the army! I trained as electrical mechanic (air) and ended up on 617 Squadron servicing Lincolns and then, the Canberra. Hows that for service!!

Ken

tomo pauk · 02-11-2009, 04:29 PM

Well then...
I served under ex-Yu flag from sep. 1990 till aug 1991, divided to 6 months as an AAA trainee, then 5 months as a commander of the Praga V3S 30mm self propelled gun .
Next I've served for 8 months in 1993 in Croatian armed forces in infantry, and one month in 1995.

MT Hopper · 06-23-2009, 07:30 PM

Ex RCAF served 20 years. Started as an AC2 electricianin the RCAF . Ended up as a Captain Flight Enginer then Staff Officer AERE Air Command Command Headquarters in the Air Element Canadian Armed Forces.

RabidAlien · 06-24-2009, 08:34 AM

Welcome aboard, MT!

wheelsup_cavu · 06-24-2009, 10:59 AM

Hi MT nice to meet you.
Stop by the Basic section and let everyone know you are here.

Basic - Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums
It's where most of the introductions take place.

Looking forward to more input from you.

Wheelsup

sabrina · 06-25-2009, 10:39 PM

Unfortunately individuals with Celiac Disease (an autoimmune reaction to a protein in wheat, barley, rye, and a couple other grains) can't serve, or I would have been happy to. Since I couldn't, I got into civilian flying instead and I'd like to get involved with CAP. I admire anyone who serves/served though...

senter104 · 07-02-2009, 01:49 PM

I have just spent the last 2 hours reading this thread from Page 1, be interested to know whether P38 ever made it into the military and whther his views have changed since his first posts. Anyway, I have been in the British Army since 1983 and have reached the dizzy heights of Captain, although now I work full time for the TA as opposed to Regular service.

This is a most interesting thread as it has a real cross section of people and experiences.

Paul

wheelsup_cavu · 07-02-2009, 02:24 PM

I just looked at his profile and he hasn't been active for a year as of today actually.
Something happened I just haven't been here long enough to know.

Wheels

lesofprimus · 07-02-2009, 02:30 PM

P-38 Pilot probably found out that those young girls he used to hate grew boobies and started smelling realy, REALLY good to his 14 year old nose....

wheelsup_cavu · 07-02-2009, 02:32 PM

That'll do it.

Wheels

diddyriddick · 07-02-2009, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu

That'll do it.

Wheels

Indeed, and once the genie is out of the bottle....

04-18-2007, 11:15 PM	#587
mkloby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 3,561	I think one of the biggest problem facing the military now is retention. We keep losing good NCOs and officers getting out because they're tired of seeing their children age in photographs. Obviously, there's not a whole lot that can be done about this right now... Compulsory service would be massively expensive, and doesn't fit America's need right now, in my opinion. There's just too high of a volume of males coming of age annually... I know you weren't actually serious, though. __________________ If the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines

06-03-2008, 03:34 PM	#590
Canberra Man Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Wamphray. Scotland Posts: 9	where you in the armed services. I can really lay claim to being in all three. When I left school in 1944, I started work as a Naval messenger on the Grimsby Naval Base, HMS Beaver, I was there for two years. Then came National Service in 1948, Royal Artillery Ack Ack. Being a glutton for punishment, I was in the Royal Air Force three months after leaving the army! I trained as electrical mechanic (air) and ended up on 617 Squadron servicing Lincolns and then, the Canberra. Hows that for service!! Ken

02-11-2009, 04:29 PM	#591
tomo pauk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 471	Well then... I served under ex-Yu flag from sep. 1990 till aug 1991, divided to 6 months as an AAA trainee, then 5 months as a commander of the Praga V3S 30mm self propelled gun . Next I've served for 8 months in 1993 in Croatian armed forces in infantry, and one month in 1995. __________________

06-24-2009, 08:34 AM	#593
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,699	Welcome aboard, MT! __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

06-24-2009, 10:59 AM	#594
wheelsup_cavu Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Corona, California Posts: 1,393	Hi MT nice to meet you. Stop by the Basic section and let everyone know you are here. Basic - Aircraft of World War II - Warbird Forums It's where most of the introductions take place. Looking forward to more input from you. Wheelsup __________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Wheels's Photos - Time lapse build of an F/A-18 Super Hornet - Lock N' Load

04-18-2007, 04:26 PM	#586
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,258	I guess I am not really advocating a return of the draft. For one thing I believe there are more technical skills needed in the US Army(where most draftees would go) Draftees probably would not have the educational background or motivation to satisfy the needs of an ever more technical military. Plus a draft system would have to deal with the female problem. In order to be PC you would have to draft females on an equal basis with males. My daughters are too old for the draft now, but if they were not, they would be drafted over my dead body, unless our country had run out of men. What I am talking about is some kind of National Service where 18 years old males would have a mandatory 10 weeks comparable to basic training where they would learn some thing about discipline, drill, teamwork, Code of Conduct, the rifle and marksmanship and the ethical and moral values of the US Military. Sure could not hurt anyone but I guess I am going against my conservative belief in less government not more. That sort of program would be a monumental undertaking and be very costly. Anyway, I am thankful for the short time I spent in uniform.

04-19-2007, 10:15 AM	#588
renrich Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montrose, Colorado Posts: 3,258	I was actually serious for a minute or two but realise that compulsory national service is neither practical or practicable. The left's answer to every problem in society is more government, higher taxes and more government control of our lives. I am not welcome in that camp.

06-23-2009, 07:30 PM	#592
MT Hopper Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1	Ex RCAF served 20 years. Started as an AC2 electricianin the RCAF . Ended up as a Captain Flight Enginer then Staff Officer AERE Air Command Command Headquarters in the Air Element Canadian Armed Forces.

06-25-2009, 10:39 PM	#595
sabrina Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 190	Unfortunately individuals with Celiac Disease (an autoimmune reaction to a protein in wheat, barley, rye, and a couple other grains) can't serve, or I would have been happy to. Since I couldn't, I got into civilian flying instead and I'd like to get involved with CAP. I admire anyone who serves/served though... __________________ --"sabrina" "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage" --Anais Nin

07-02-2009, 01:49 PM	#596
senter104 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Essex Posts: 4	I have just spent the last 2 hours reading this thread from Page 1, be interested to know whether P38 ever made it into the military and whther his views have changed since his first posts. Anyway, I have been in the British Army since 1983 and have reached the dizzy heights of Captain, although now I work full time for the TA as opposed to Regular service. This is a most interesting thread as it has a real cross section of people and experiences. Paul

07-02-2009, 02:24 PM	#597
wheelsup_cavu Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Corona, California Posts: 1,393	I just looked at his profile and he hasn't been active for a year as of today actually. Something happened I just haven't been here long enough to know. Wheels __________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Wheels's Photos - Time lapse build of an F/A-18 Super Hornet - Lock N' Load

07-02-2009, 02:30 PM	#598
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,388	P-38 Pilot probably found out that those young girls he used to hate grew boobies and started smelling realy, REALLY good to his 14 year old nose.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

07-02-2009, 02:32 PM	#599
wheelsup_cavu Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Corona, California Posts: 1,393	That'll do it. Wheels __________________ Cheers Wheelsup_cavu Wheels's Photos - Time lapse build of an F/A-18 Super Hornet - Lock N' Load

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