Are you or have you ever been in the Armed Forces?

[Nonskimmer]

*sings* In the Navy...

Not quite!

[Medvedya]

Wot? No Red Indians?

[Nonskimmer]

No leather pants!

[plan_D]

And no bikers...

SEAL Team 2 are under questioning over this Iraq war. I hear they were the first to 'abuse' Iraqi prisoners. How can a Special Forces team abuse prisoners...?

[lesofprimus]

Trying to get info and reliable intelligence... I myself have abused Iraqis before.... And Somolis as well....

Nothing like posing them for pictures and whatnot, just physical abuse... I have seen and done some things that were VERY illegal in my time.... Watched a CIA spook cut off 2 fingers from this Iraqi shitbird officer..

That ended up with a weapons cache of around 300 rifles, RPG's, morters, and enough ammo to make a big difference in a certain area... Say what u will, but the above interrogation saved many American and Coalition troops lives, at the cost of a pinky and ringfinger....

BTW, one of the SEALs being prosecuted used to be a pretty good buddy of mine...

[Nonskimmer]

(Mental note: Be good to les, be good to les...)

[lesofprimus]

Hehe...

[plan_D]

That's not abuse though, that's what I'm saying. It's interrogation. All British forces are trained to expect beatings and such when captured. What we do to them is much less than what they do to us. Breaking them down is all part of interrogation...Lefties are just stupid...

[lesofprimus]

Im really ed that this abuse crap has gotten this far.... Big deal... The were stripped and embarassed, and had to lay naked with other naked men, with hoods on their heads... BIG FREAKIN DEAL..... They are the goddamn enemy.... Atleast we aint cuttin off their heads and ****....

Most Iraqi men are into that kinda crap in the first place.. Ill bet u some of em actually enjoyed being in a pile of man-flesh like that...

[plan_D]

I agree. If they didn't want it happening to them, they shouldn't have surrendered. If Stalin caused enough fear in his men to make them think twice about surrendering, why couldn't Hussein. He's a failure!

[lesofprimus]

Hussein couldnt scratch the pimples off of Stalins Ass!!!!!

[plan_D]

Well, of course not, Hussein is in prison and Stalin is dead...

One good thing about Hussein is, he is so easy to mock. He can be the focal point of abuse for many years to come...

[lesofprimus]

Well, of course not, Hussein is in prison and Stalin is dead...

I think u know i was referring to their respective legacys... Correct???

One good thing about Hussein is, he is so easy to mock.

Until the Iraqis finally put him to death...... Make a martyr outta him to those freakin fanatics and insurgents...

They shoulda dropped a WP into that hole in the ground when they found him.. Woulda saved alot of $$$ and time and lives, and woulda stopped them damned loyalists from carrying on for so long....

[Medvedya]

That's the problem that Guardian readers can't understand - wars tend to be nasty, and involve people doing nasty things to other people - a bit far out I know, but that's the way it is.

The Abu Ghraib soldiers were damn fools for first making a holiday album, and a disgrace second for turning it into an off-duty pastime.

If there are things which have to be done which are not for the squeamish, and for the greater good, then so be it.

But torture for fun? That's messed up, and something Hussain's bully boys would do. We're better than that.

[plan_D]

Yes, I did know you were talking of the legacys...I was just being intentionally difficult...