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07-02-2006, 05:23 PM
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07-02-2006, 08:22 PM
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Well if you fly IL2 with all its myriad of patches,and if the flight models are correct, and if you realize that there is a definite favoritism towards a certain Russian LA series of aircraft, and your pretty much an F.N.G. ,and all you can fly is a certain LA series of fighter,and you realize that all the allied aircraft such as the Jug, Pony, Lightning,F6F ,F4U series, and Corsair series, pretty much all the American fighters are so under modeled that all there really good for is Z.& B.and getting blown out of the air with a certain series of LA Russian aircraft, and in all fairness a certain 25 pounder that seems to defy its parameters of the real fighter.
To be fair as far as I am concerned the IL2 series of flight Simms are without question the best in the virtual sky's bar none.
So to answer the original question "what is the best fighter of WWII" ....................wait for it.............the Mitsubishi A6MC model, Yes your all probably scratching you heads saying WTF ..is he on Crack? Actually no I'm not , if you take the basic design of this fighter its maneuverability ,its fire power its climb rate.etc ,from about 1939 to about 1942 it was the most deadly fighter in the sky in any theater of operation. Now having said this the A6M the Mits was a victim of the ideological beliefs,a feudal militarism,a none willingness to improve the fighter to keep up with ...lets say the American fighters
The Japanese designers never really improved the power plant to compete with the Grumman series of aircraft they never protected there pilots so as a consequence they lost there best.
To make along story short , it the Japanese would have kept up with there opponents, and put the time and effort into improving on the same scale as the Germans,British,Russians ,and Americans, the Marianas Turkey Shoot may have had a differant out come
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07-02-2006, 08:38 PM
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Country: | The Zeke was too slow to be considered the best aircraft of World War II. In 1941, the Germans and British had already surpassed the Zeke comfortably with the introduction of the Bf-109F, Fw-190A and Spitfire Mk.V. All of which would out-pace the A6M and dictate combat at will. The Spitfire Mk.V did, in fact, come into contact with the Zeke in 1943. The pace of the Spitfire proved it to be a superior machine, and when kept at pace would make easy kills over the Zeke.
Even in the early stages of the war, the A6M's ability was only so powerful because the shroud of myth preceeded it into battle. Once the facts had been realised about the A6M, it was soon a losing plane.
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07-02-2006, 08:46 PM
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2 weeks ago, the Willow Grove Naval Air Base had an Air Fest. One of the planes that interested me was a B-24 Liberator bomber. I noticed there was no bubble turret on top. & the nose has one 50 Cal. gun , no turret like the photos I've seen of B-24s. I talked to the person who said they had flown it in from Oklahoma & it was a prototype of the B-24. He said B-24s are very rare & there are only a few left in the world. He described that the plane had various models & assignments-anti-sub, observation, bombing. It operated in all theaters, North Africa, Pacific, Europe. I said it was a sturdy aircraft but didn't quite get the publicity or recognition & was overshadowed by the B-17 Flying Fortress. He said that's true. | |
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07-02-2006, 09:07 PM
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#20 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  | Don't eve begin bringing in sims to make these types of comparisons - no PC sim will ever get you remotely close to the really flying, let alone determining aircraft performance.
The Zero was an over-rated propaganda machine, although deadly in the right hands it never achieved more than a 2 to 1 kill ratio over inferior Western aircraft and that was only for a very short period!!!
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07-02-2006, 09:54 PM
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This is a real life plane comparison.
I am biased towards the lanc but having worked on the beast for longer than I care to remember  she does grow on you.
I cannot think of any otehr plane that had the range and could carry the bombload that the lancaster could for its time. | |
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07-02-2006, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lancasterman This is a real life plane comparison.
I am biased towards the lanc but having worked on the beast for longer than I care to remember she does grow on you.
I cannot think of any otehr plane that had the range and could carry the bombload that the lancaster could for its time. | The B-29.......
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07-02-2006, 09:57 PM
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07-02-2006, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lancasterman DOnt think it could carry the grandslam or tallboy | It didn't have to - it carried Little Boy and fatman instead...
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07-02-2006, 11:33 PM
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07-02-2006, 11:38 PM
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07-02-2006, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ It didn't have to - it carried Little Boy and fatman instead... | 
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07-03-2006, 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 361st_Xabre Well if you fly IL2 with all its myriad of patches,and if the flight models are correct, and if you realize that there is a definite favoritism towards a certain Russian LA series of aircraft, and your pretty much an F.N.G. ,and all you can fly is a certain LA series of fighter,and you realize that all the allied aircraft such as the Jug, Pony, Lightning,F6F ,F4U series, and Corsair series, pretty much all the American fighters are so under modeled that all there really good for is Z.& B.and getting blown out of the air with a certain series of LA Russian aircraft, and in all fairness a certain 25 pounder that seems to defy its parameters of the real fighter.
To be fair as far as I am concerned the IL2 series of flight Simms are without question the best in the virtual sky's bar none.
So to answer the original question "what is the best fighter of WWII" ....................wait for it.............the Mitsubishi A6MC model, Yes your all probably scratching you heads saying WTF ..is he on Crack? Actually no I'm not , if you take the basic design of this fighter its maneuverability ,its fire power its climb rate.etc ,from about 1939 to about 1942 it was the most deadly fighter in the sky in any theater of operation. Now having said this the A6M the Mits was a victim of the ideological beliefs,a feudal militarism,a none willingness to improve the fighter to keep up with ...lets say the American fighters
The Japanese designers never really improved the power plant to compete with the Grumman series of aircraft they never protected there pilots so as a consequence they lost there best.
To make along story short , it the Japanese would have kept up with there opponents, and put the time and effort into improving on the same scale as the Germans,British,Russians ,and Americans, the Marianas Turkey Shoot may have had a differant out come
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Oh boy here we go another computer chair pilot!  Il-2 and no Simulator will tell you which aircraft is the greatest. Sorry bud!
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07-03-2006, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by lancasterman DOnt think it could carry the grandslam or tallboy | It didn't have to - it carried Little Boy and fatman instead... | Joe. I have read somewhere that the B-29 could carry 2 Grandslams but don't quote me on that, still Little Boy or Fatman would cause more damage, so the -29 didn't need to carry either as Joe said.
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07-03-2006, 06:13 AM
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#30 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | The B-29 is handsdown the greatest bomber of WW2. I dont care how much you love an aircraft. I love the B-17 but the B-29 has it hands down. I love the Lancaster but the B-29 has it hands down. The B-29 could carry a Tallboy if needed but as FBJ says why did it need to?
Good comeback there FBJ!
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