Greatest Aircraft of World War Two.

plan_D · 07-03-2006, 07:48 AM

That was a great comeback, but mine would have been this (which isn't as a good)

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-03-2006, 08:00 AM

Nice pics, I have never seen those. Thanks.

evangilder · 07-03-2006, 08:20 AM

I hadn't seen those either. Cool pics.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 07-03-2006, 08:26 AM

You have to look at this way. If the B-29 can carry jet and rocket powered aircraft under it, what can it not do when compared to other WW2 bombers?

Easy...

Nothing.

FLYBOYJ · 07-03-2006, 09:09 AM

Thanks guys, I knew I seen somewhere a B-29 with a Grand Slam, thanks for the pic D!!!

syscom3 · 07-03-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

That was a great comeback, but mine would have been this (which isn't as a good)

You have any more details on that? I wonder if it was being tested with the bombs in case it was going to be deployed the the ETO.

SpitfireKing · 07-03-2006, 03:57 PM

SpitfireKing flies again!

SpitfireKing · 07-03-2006, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Don't eve begin bringing in sims to make these types of comparisons - no PC sim will ever get you remotely close to the really flying, let alone determining aircraft performance.

The Zero was an over-rated propaganda machine, although deadly in the right hands it never achieved more than a 2 to 1 kill ratio over inferior Western aircraft and that was only for a very short period!!!

Secret weapons over normandy, I think, did a pretty good job. you can add mods to your planes and the second fighter you get is a Spitfire. You also get a german bomber and begin with a Hurricane.

FLYBOYJ · 07-03-2006, 04:09 PM

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Secret weapons over normandy, I think, did a pretty good job. you can add mods to your planes and the second fighter you get is a Spitfire. You also get a german bomber and begin with a Hurricane.

I fly planes - REAL PLANES and a few jets - the only thing you're getting out of any home flight sim is a quick seated thrill and a very loose insight of what it was like in the cockpit of a WW2 aircraft, and it is a "Very Loose Insight."

plan_D · 07-03-2006, 06:19 PM

I have plenty of information on the testing syscom. There were three B-29s modified to carry the Tall Boy (M-109) or Grand Slam (M-110) bombs either in the bomb bay or on under-wing racks.

The M-109 testing finished with the final date as June 11th, 1945 and modified B-29s were ordered to be ready as soon as possible for use against precise targets in Japan. Reports show that these machines, with the bombs, would have been ready to bomb Japan by September, 1945.

361st_Xabre · 07-03-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Don't eve begin bringing in sims to make these types of comparisons - no PC sim will ever get you remotely close to the really flying, let alone determining aircraft performance.

The Zero was an over-rated propaganda machine, although deadly in the right hands it never achieved more than a 2 to 1 kill ratio over inferior Western aircraft and that was only for a very short period!!!

Hey there FlyboyJ,
Firstly I thought I was very clear in my post, I was NOT trying to compare the flight sim (IL2 Forgotten Battles) to real world flight characteristics.
Secondly although Ive been told by some reliable sources that the flight simm does its best to "simulate" the real world flight characteristics of the fighters in question.
It is obvious that you did not understand fully my post..in that if the Japanese designers would have kept pace with the rest of the warring parties and there constant upgrades to their perspective front line fighters IE: Spitfire,BF 109, etc. the A6m series would have been a deadly foe in any theater, You are correct in that it was relatively slow,and yes it was an inferior fighter just in its non armored configuration. but it ,even at its slow speed could out turn anything comming against it. and yes in the right hands the A6M was certain death to any rookie pilot that got in its way . For example the only way that the U.S. fighters could beat the A6M in the early 40's was to Sassy Sandwich the Zero.in other words split off and wait to see which fighter the zero would go after ,and god help the poor Bas***rd in front of the Zero. Hopefully the wingman got behind the A6M and took him out immediately
This was the only way to beat the Zero until the F6F, P38 and P51 came into play buy this time the IJN had lost there best pilots and the Zero was far surpassed in performance because of the paralysis of the Japanese bureaucracy.

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lesofprimus · 07-03-2006, 08:26 PM

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This was the only way to beat the Zero until the F6F, P38 and P51 came into play

The P-40 had excellent results against the Zero, as well as several other "inferior" airplanes...

plan_D · 07-03-2006, 08:35 PM

The Zero was too slow to achieve an considerable success against the great fighters of World War II. At slow speeds the Zero would out-turn almost anything, but the opposing pilots would keep the speed high and rid the Zero of all it's advantages.
When the A6M2 first made a kill on September 13th, 1940, the British had the already been building the Spitfire Mk.II with Merlin XII engines for some months. And the Luftwaffe introduced the Bf-109F-1 the month after the Zero made it's kill.

The speed of the Bf-109F-1 was around 390 MPH. The A6M2 had a top speed of 309 - 325 MPH depending on the source. The Spitfire Mk.II had a top speed of 354 MPH. Both of these aircraft were in combat, and only just developed in 1940, yet they both were faster, heavier armed, superior armoured and more agile at higher speeds. As the speed of planes increased, the agility at low speeds became less important. The Zero would not be able to pull any tight turn above 275 MPH, what if the Spitfire pilot comes flying in at 300 - 320 MPH and keeps himself there? He's still got 30 MPH on his speed, but he's out-turning the Zero because the Zero can't turn at that speed. It can't roll well, dive well or climb as fast as the Spitfire Mk.II.

FLYBOYJ · 07-03-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 361st_Xabre

Hey there FlyboyJ,
Firstly I thought I was very clear in my post, I was NOT trying to compare the flight sim (IL2 Forgotten Battles) to real world flight characteristics.
Secondly although Ive been told by some reliable sources that the flight simm does its best to "simulate" the real world flight characteristics of the fighters in question.

It gives a very limited understanding, especially in just basic flying...

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Originally Posted by 361st_Xabre

For example the only way that the U.S. fighters could beat the A6M in the early 40's was to Sassy Sandwich the Zero.in other words split off and wait to see which fighter the zero would go after ,and god help the poor Bas***rd in front of the Zero. Hopefully the wingman got behind the A6M and took him out immediately

The P-40 and even the P-39 could out maneuver the Zero at high speed, the P-40 could out roll it at all speeds - these advantages were fully exploited by the late summer of 1942. If you explore some old threads I have data that shows by the fall of 1942 the USAAF had better than a 1.5 to 1 kill ration over the Zero and Oscar, contradicting a lot of second rate books about this subject.

361st_Xabre · 07-03-2006, 09:14 PM

Again I submit if the the Jap designers would have kept up with the latest and greatest in aircraft design the inferior Zero would have been formidable against the fighters you had mentioned.

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Oh by the way the fastest single engine fighter of the ETO was the Yak 9U it was SCARY FAST flat out.

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