Vote in the Best Pilot Poll. - Aircraft of World War II

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-07-2008, 03:24 PM

Go to the Best Pilot thread and cast your vote for who you think is the Best Pilot of WW2.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...lot-12686.html (Best WWII fighter pilot....?)

The Poll will be open for 20 days and then the top pilots will be put into another poll and then the top pilots there will go into another poll and so forth until we as a forum decide who we think is the best pilot of WW2.

This should spark up some good interesting conversation and maybe we can all learn something about the pilots and maybe learn some stuff about pilots that we never new.

If there is a pilot that is not in the poll and you think he should be added then dont vote and tell us in a post why you think that should pilot should be added and I will add him to the poll.

Remember this is just for fun guys...

Der_blaue_Ritter · 05-08-2008, 08:54 PM

I think this is a somewhat foolish mission. I am familiar with the German aces (many of whom ought to be in the top rankings) but total number of sorties flown and their own instances of being shot-down would have to be considered. On the other hand just surviving all those missions is not to be ignored--especially when conditions during the last year of the war in Europe are taken into account. As an example, an Expert with 30 kills in the West during 1943/45 might have displayed more skill than one with 120 kills in the East during 1941/43.

Njaco · 05-08-2008, 09:53 PM

This is just an announcement. The discusions are in the thread Adler posted. Its now on Part 2. You can go there and make an opinion if you want.

FLYBOYJ · 05-08-2008, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der_blaue_Ritter

I think this is a somewhat foolish mission.

Then don't post or vote on it!

vstoyanov12 · 05-11-2008, 05:38 AM

Gunter Lutzov- Germany is the top ww2 ace as per my opinion.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-11-2008, 11:56 AM

This is not the poll. This is a link to the polls...

cougar32d · 05-19-2008, 03:39 PM

how come some of the top german aces have 200+ kills, how is that possible?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-19-2008, 03:54 PM

What do you mean?

They shot down that many aircraft. German pilots flew until either they were killed or the war ended. It was not like it was for the US pilots who would fly so and so many missions and then rotate out. They did not have a rotation system.

ccheese · 05-19-2008, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cougar32d

how come some of the top german aces have 200+ kills, how is that possible?

Because some of them were shooting down aircraft during the Spanish civil
war in 1936. World War II didn't start til 1939 (in Europe). Plus I don't think
their method of "confirmation" was like the US's.

Charles

cougar32d · 05-19-2008, 04:14 PM

ok, thanks guys i've always wondered why their numbers were so high.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-19-2008, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ccheese

Because some of them were shooting down aircraft during the Spanish civil
war in 1936. World War II didn't start til 1939 (in Europe). Plus I don't think
their method of "confirmation" was like the US's.

Charles

None of the kills from 1936 counted as far as I know. They only counted from 1939 to 1945.

The "confirmation" method was not really any different.

Marcel · 05-19-2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

What do you mean?

They shot down that many aircraft. German pilots flew until either they were killed or the war ended. It was not like it was for the US pilots who would fly so and so many missions and then rotate out. They did not have a rotation system.

Chris, I was wondering in order to put it into perspective, how many missions did allied pilots fly in comparison to for instance Hartman?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-19-2008, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcel

Chris, I was wondering in order to put it into perspective, how many missions did allied pilots fly in comparison to for instance Hartman?

I will be honest. I do not have that answer. I know it was far few than the average Germany pilot.

Bill might be the better person to ask here.

pbfoot · 05-19-2008, 07:23 PM

A tour IIRC with the RCAF was 150 hours which came out to about 100 missions after which you got rotated back to training or a rear area

marshall · 05-20-2008, 06:23 AM

"On 20 July 1944, Gabreski had reached the 300-hour combat time limit for Eighth Air Force fighter pilots"

"Gabreski was officially credited by the USAF with 28 aircraft destroyed in air combat and 3 on the ground, flying 166 combat sorties."

"Johnson flew a total of 89 combat missions between April 1943 and May 1944." - Robert S. Johnson 27 kills in that time

"He scored 352 aerial victories (of which 345 were won against the Soviet Air Force, and 260 of which were fighters) in 1,404 combat missions and engaging in aerial combat 825 times while serving with the Luftwaffe in World War II." - Hartmann

source wikipedia

04-07-2008, 03:24 PM	#1
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Vote in the Best Pilot Poll. Go to the Best Pilot thread and cast your vote for who you think is the Best Pilot of WW2. http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...lot-12686.html (Best WWII fighter pilot....?) The Poll will be open for 20 days and then the top pilots will be put into another poll and then the top pilots there will go into another poll and so forth until we as a forum decide who we think is the best pilot of WW2. This should spark up some good interesting conversation and maybe we can all learn something about the pilots and maybe learn some stuff about pilots that we never new. If there is a pilot that is not in the poll and you think he should be added then dont vote and tell us in a post why you think that should pilot should be added and I will add him to the poll. Remember this is just for fun guys... __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I] Last edited by DerAdlerIstGelandet; 04-07-2008 at 03:26 PM.

05-08-2008, 09:53 PM	#3
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	This is just an announcement. The discusions are in the thread Adler posted. Its now on Part 2. You can go there and make an opinion if you want. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

05-11-2008, 05:38 AM	#5
vstoyanov12 Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sofia Posts: 3	Col. Gunter Lutzov- Germany Gunter Lutzov- Germany is the top ww2 ace as per my opinion.

05-11-2008, 11:56 AM	#6
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	This is not the poll. This is a link to the polls... __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

05-19-2008, 03:39 PM	#7
cougar32d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: san antonio texas Posts: 276	how come some of the top german aces have 200+ kills, how is that possible? __________________ I am a soldier, I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight. - General George Patton Jr

05-08-2008, 08:54 PM	#2
Der_blaue_Ritter Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: North Fork, CA near Fresno Posts: 3	I think this is a somewhat foolish mission. I am familiar with the German aces (many of whom ought to be in the top rankings) but total number of sorties flown and their own instances of being shot-down would have to be considered. On the other hand just surviving all those missions is not to be ignored--especially when conditions during the last year of the war in Europe are taken into account. As an example, an Expert with 30 kills in the West during 1943/45 might have displayed more skill than one with 120 kills in the East during 1941/43.

05-19-2008, 03:54 PM	#8
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	What do you mean? They shot down that many aircraft. German pilots flew until either they were killed or the war ended. It was not like it was for the US pilots who would fly so and so many missions and then rotate out. They did not have a rotation system. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

05-19-2008, 04:14 PM	#10
cougar32d Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: san antonio texas Posts: 276	ok, thanks guys i've always wondered why their numbers were so high. __________________ I am a soldier, I fight where I am told, and I win where I fight. - General George Patton Jr

05-19-2008, 07:23 PM	#14
pbfoot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: niagara falls Posts: 5,586	A tour IIRC with the RCAF was 150 hours which came out to about 100 missions after which you got rotated back to training or a rear area

05-20-2008, 06:23 AM	#15
marshall Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 121	"On 20 July 1944, Gabreski had reached the 300-hour combat time limit for Eighth Air Force fighter pilots" "Gabreski was officially credited by the USAF with 28 aircraft destroyed in air combat and 3 on the ground, flying 166 combat sorties." "Johnson flew a total of 89 combat missions between April 1943 and May 1944." - Robert S. Johnson 27 kills in that time "He scored 352 aerial victories (of which 345 were won against the Soviet Air Force, and 260 of which were fighters) in 1,404 combat missions and engaging in aerial combat 825 times while serving with the Luftwaffe in World War II." - Hartmann source wikipedia Last edited by marshall; 05-20-2008 at 06:34 AM.

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