 | 4th of July| OFF-Topic / Misc. Discuss 4th of July in the Current forums; I like that poster, it shows that Israel wouldn't be anywhere without the U.S. And that's not ... |
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07-05-2005, 02:43 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | I like that poster, it shows that Israel wouldn't be anywhere without the U.S. And that's not the message they wanted. It goes U.S props up Israel, U.S and Britain are Allies, and everyone else hates us for it.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004  To those in that club. | 
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07-05-2005, 03:04 PM
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#32 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Yeah... And because everyone hates us, you have to know how to self-defend. So I'm currently in a hotel in Tel Aviv, starting 3 day course of self-defence tactical fight called Krav Maga. Yeah!!! | |
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07-05-2005, 03:13 PM
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#33 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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Country:  | I wondered why your flag changed... 
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07-05-2005, 03:36 PM
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#34 | | Senior Member
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Country: | No, I was saying everyone hates us as in Britain and America. Israel is just propped up by the U.S. It's their baby because it wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the U.S
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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07-05-2005, 07:48 PM
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#35 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by plan_D It's their baby because it wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the U.S | Well, in fact it's the baby of both US and Britain... Don't forget that Palestine was a British colony before Israel was created... But I think you already know it. | |
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07-05-2005, 08:06 PM
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#36 | | Senior Member
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Country: | It's not a baby of Britain at all. Britain took the lands after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. We merely held the lands, we did not encourage the influx of the Jewish political Zionists into the Ottoman Empire for the sole reason that we did not hold the lands. It was not until 1945 when a massive influx of Jewish immigrates (to the distaste of already settled Jews) from North Africa and South-East Europe occured. Britain recognised the growing trouble between the Arabs and Jewish peoples.
We pulled out. We did not create the place, we simply left. The U.S put forward the idea of a UN council overseeing Palestine in the vacuum left by British departure. Britain had nothing to do with the forming of the Israeli state. The conquest of Palestine was on the minds of Jewish Zionists before World War 1 even began. It is also the U.S that uses it's UN veto to prevent any military sanctions being put against Israel.
I know the political history behind it all. The U.S has an unhealthy addiction to Israel, it's quite scary. War was inevitable though, from the start. Even the U.S didn't favour Israel in every action, especially after Israel attacked U.S.S Liberty. But, after the 1967 war the U.S has propped up Israel.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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07-05-2005, 08:11 PM
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#37 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | Palestine was in existance at the time of Christ and before. it was named from the Romans with their anquishing time of trying to keep the people of Israel and the Muslims under total domination........ | |
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07-05-2005, 08:18 PM
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#38 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Shall we create another thread for this in Political? Because I have studied it from time to time, off my own back...so it'll be interesting what everyone thinks about it.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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07-06-2005, 09:04 AM
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#39 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Yes, is there anyone with the ability of moving the thread, pls? | |
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07-06-2005, 09:07 AM
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#40 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Check the politics section, Pisis.
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07-06-2005, 09:44 AM
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#41 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Good stuff, cant wait for this discussion. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Pisis PS: Adler, r u actually a Yankee? | My mother is German and my fathre is Austrian. He was adopted by an American family when he was a baby and when he turned 18 he became a Naturalized US citizen. I hold both German and US citizenship. I was born and raised in Germany only living 5 years in the United States, and I currently am serving in the US Army.
I like to consider myself a German whos blood flows Red, White, and Blue.
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07-06-2005, 09:48 AM
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#42 | | Senior Member
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Country: | AH! That's cool! In Ansbach, ther's a military basement? | |
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07-06-2005, 10:11 AM
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#43 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Basement....LOL
Yes there are actually 4 Military Installations in Ansbach. Barton Barracks, Bleidorn Kasserne, Shipton Barracks and Katterbach Army Airfield/Bismark Kasserne.
Shipton is a ADA installation with Patriot Missle Battaries. I am stationed at Katterbach (Bismark is across the street from Katterbach and we consider it the same post). Katterbach Army Airfield is where I work.
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07-07-2005, 08:47 AM
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#44 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Basement....LOL | Why are you laughing at me. I wasn't born half yank as you!  What's the correct form? Military Base, right?  | |
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07-07-2005, 08:50 AM
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#45 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Dont you let Alder take the piss out of you pisis, I was in Frankfurt Hann airport last year theres lots of ex US millitary basements there.
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