Air france flight from Brazil to Paris - Page 11 - Aircraft of World War II

seesul · 06-17-2009, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gumbyk

Drgondog,
The last I heard on this is that it was a coincidence. They had the same names as someone on the watchlist, but weren't the actual people. That was on radio, so sorry, I can't give a reference for this either.

Yep, I heard the same.

seesul · 06-17-2009, 01:45 AM

BBC NEWS | Americas | Air France tail fin brought ashore

seesul · 06-17-2009, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drgondog

I'm still trying to find a reference to a discovery that two persons on that flight were Muslims on the highly classified terror lists and the theory that the pilot may have taken manual control to prevent a takepver... with speculation that Paris was the target for a hijacking.

Here you go Bill:
DEBKAfile - Two radical Muslims identified on crashed Air France flight
Never Yet Melted Muslim Radicals Aboard Doomed Air France 447
FOX News Radio - 2 Radical Muslims Believed To Be Onboard Air France Flight?
Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447: Two Passengers Shared Names Of Radical Muslims | World News | Sky News
Two terror suspects were on crash jet AF447 | The Sun |News
Air France Airbus A330: Radical Muslims Islamic terrorists bring down flight AF447? - Bild.de

drgondog · 06-17-2009, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seesul

Here you go Bill:
DEBKAfile - Two radical Muslims identified on crashed Air France flight
Never Yet Melted Muslim Radicals Aboard Doomed Air France 447
FOX News Radio - 2 Radical Muslims Believed To Be Onboard Air France Flight?
Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447: Two Passengers Shared Names Of Radical Muslims | World News | Sky News
Two terror suspects were on crash jet AF447 | The Sun |News
Air France Airbus A330: Radical Muslims Islamic terrorists bring down flight AF447? - Bild.de

Thx Seesul - the Debka article is the one I seem to recall

plan_D · 06-17-2009, 01:19 PM

Do you all know that a few weeks before the Air France flight going down the aircraft was grounded because of electrical issues on the plane?

Matt308 · 06-17-2009, 01:55 PM

No. What kind? Writeups are VERY common and "grounded" can mean different things depending upon the context. Reportable incident or dispatch issue? Aircraft have electrical "issues" all the time that are typically dealt with via redundancy and MEL relief. A reportable incident is different.

plan_D · 06-17-2009, 03:34 PM

I don't know the details, it's something that's appeared amongst circles throughout the European civil industry. I was told the rough story while sweating my bollocks off in a 330 avionics bay, good times. the issue kept the aircraft grounded a good few days, apparently... it wouldn't have been mentioned had it been able to fly with MEL or redundant systems.

I'm sure more details will arrive at my earhole while in another situation where I'm really not interested.

Matt308 · 06-17-2009, 07:39 PM

You can still have a "grounded" airplane due to redundant system failures not satisfying the MMEL. So without further info, we'll just have to wait and see what your...er... earhole... comes up with.

plan_D · 06-18-2009, 11:00 AM

You can, I know...you can have 'em grounded 'cos a freakin' plaque is missing off the wheel.

seesul · 06-19-2009, 01:09 AM

(CNN) -- A top executive for the company which built the flight data recorder aboard Air France Flight 447 says he hopes his firm's 100 percent recovery record from air accidents will be maintained despite concerns the device may be lost at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

Although some debris has been retrieved, air crash investigators remain in the dark about what caused the airliner to plunge into the sea off the coast of Brazil with 228 people onboard earlier this month. The wreckage is believed to be about 4,500 meters (15,000 feet) deep, amid underwater mountains and mixed in with tons of sea trash.

A French nuclear submarine and other vessels are searching for the flight data recorder by attempting to trace its locator beacon, which sends acoustic pulses, or "pings," to searchers.

The U.S. Navy has contributed two high-tech acoustic devices -- known as towed pinger locators -- which have been attached to French tug boats and can search to a maximum depth of 20,000 feet.

Honeywell Aerospace's Paolo Carmassi -- the firm's president for Europe, the Middle East, Africa and India -- told CNN that retrieving the flight data could help solve the mystery of the plane's fate and said his company had never lost a black box involved in an accident.

"We believe that our technology is well-positioned to, in this case, contribute to solve the big question around this particular accident," Carmassi said.

"We have a 100 percent recovery rate of all the black boxes that we have installed that unfortunately may have been involved in accidents so we hope that we will be able to maintain our record and be able to shed some light on what happened." Video Watch what clues investigators are looking at »

But Carmassi acknowledged it was hard to estimate how much battery life the locator beacon had left.

"There is a certain duration which depends on the particular environmental conditions, whether it's underwater or on land, whether it's at 10 meters or 4,000 meters; so it's very difficult to pinpoint exactly the duration," he said.

Yann Cochennec, an aviation expert with Air et Cosmos magazine, told CNN that a recorder had been retrieved from the seabed in 2004 after an Egyptian charter flight crashed into the Red Sea shortly after leaving Sharm el-Sheikh.

But he said the depth of the Atlantic, strong currents and bad weather would make retrieving the recorder from the Air France wreckage far more difficult.

The flight data recorder -- sometimes called a "black box" -- is actually an orange, metal cylinder weighing about 13 pounds. Inside is a stack of memory chips designed to survive high temperatures, strong impact and tons of pressure.

The devices record virtually every detail about how an aircraft is working, including cabin pressure, speed and altitude, remaining fuel and whether that fuel is flowing properly. They have played a crucial part in air crash investigations since they were first fitted to commercial aircraft in the 1940s.

Manufacturer optimistic of finding AF447 flight data recorder - CNN.com

seesul · 06-23-2009, 03:53 AM

I just heard in the news that according the French Le Monde the French ship got the weak signal from the black box and they just sent a submarine Nautilus there. Air France didn´t confirm this news yet...

seesul · 06-23-2009, 05:54 AM

Unfortunately...they just disclaimed this news about the black box signal as a false scent...

06-17-2009, 01:45 AM	#152
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 3,077	Air France tail fin brought ashore BBC NEWS \| Americas \| Air France tail fin brought ashore __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

06-17-2009, 01:19 PM	#155
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,970	Do you all know that a few weeks before the Air France flight going down the aircraft was grounded because of electrical issues on the plane? __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-17-2009, 01:55 PM	#156
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,809	No. What kind? Writeups are VERY common and "grounded" can mean different things depending upon the context. Reportable incident or dispatch issue? Aircraft have electrical "issues" all the time that are typically dealt with via redundancy and MEL relief. A reportable incident is different. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

06-17-2009, 03:34 PM	#157
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,970	I don't know the details, it's something that's appeared amongst circles throughout the European civil industry. I was told the rough story while sweating my bollocks off in a 330 avionics bay, good times. the issue kept the aircraft grounded a good few days, apparently... it wouldn't have been mentioned had it been able to fly with MEL or redundant systems. I'm sure more details will arrive at my earhole while in another situation where I'm really not interested. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-17-2009, 07:39 PM	#158
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,809	You can still have a "grounded" airplane due to redundant system failures not satisfying the MMEL. So without further info, we'll just have to wait and see what your...er... earhole... comes up with. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

06-18-2009, 11:00 AM	#159
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,970	You can, I know...you can have 'em grounded 'cos a freakin' plaque is missing off the wheel. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

06-19-2009, 01:09 AM	#160
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 3,077	Manufacturer optimistic of finding AF447 flight data recorder (CNN) -- A top executive for the company which built the flight data recorder aboard Air France Flight 447 says he hopes his firm's 100 percent recovery record from air accidents will be maintained despite concerns the device may be lost at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. Although some debris has been retrieved, air crash investigators remain in the dark about what caused the airliner to plunge into the sea off the coast of Brazil with 228 people onboard earlier this month. The wreckage is believed to be about 4,500 meters (15,000 feet) deep, amid underwater mountains and mixed in with tons of sea trash. A French nuclear submarine and other vessels are searching for the flight data recorder by attempting to trace its locator beacon, which sends acoustic pulses, or "pings," to searchers. The U.S. Navy has contributed two high-tech acoustic devices -- known as towed pinger locators -- which have been attached to French tug boats and can search to a maximum depth of 20,000 feet. Honeywell Aerospace's Paolo Carmassi -- the firm's president for Europe, the Middle East, Africa and India -- told CNN that retrieving the flight data could help solve the mystery of the plane's fate and said his company had never lost a black box involved in an accident. "We believe that our technology is well-positioned to, in this case, contribute to solve the big question around this particular accident," Carmassi said. "We have a 100 percent recovery rate of all the black boxes that we have installed that unfortunately may have been involved in accidents so we hope that we will be able to maintain our record and be able to shed some light on what happened." Video Watch what clues investigators are looking at » But Carmassi acknowledged it was hard to estimate how much battery life the locator beacon had left. "There is a certain duration which depends on the particular environmental conditions, whether it's underwater or on land, whether it's at 10 meters or 4,000 meters; so it's very difficult to pinpoint exactly the duration," he said. Yann Cochennec, an aviation expert with Air et Cosmos magazine, told CNN that a recorder had been retrieved from the seabed in 2004 after an Egyptian charter flight crashed into the Red Sea shortly after leaving Sharm el-Sheikh. But he said the depth of the Atlantic, strong currents and bad weather would make retrieving the recorder from the Air France wreckage far more difficult. The flight data recorder -- sometimes called a "black box" -- is actually an orange, metal cylinder weighing about 13 pounds. Inside is a stack of memory chips designed to survive high temperatures, strong impact and tons of pressure. The devices record virtually every detail about how an aircraft is working, including cabin pressure, speed and altitude, remaining fuel and whether that fuel is flowing properly. They have played a crucial part in air crash investigations since they were first fitted to commercial aircraft in the 1940s. Manufacturer optimistic of finding AF447 flight data recorder - CNN.com __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

06-23-2009, 03:53 AM	#161
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 3,077	I just heard in the news that according the French Le Monde the French ship got the weak signal from the black box and they just sent a submarine Nautilus there. Air France didn´t confirm this news yet... __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

06-23-2009, 05:54 AM	#162
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 3,077	Unfortunately...they just disclaimed this news about the black box signal as a false scent... __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

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