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06-10-2008, 01:23 PM
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 I suppose if the dialogue was in "Ebonics" it would have to have english subtitles too.... 
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06-10-2008, 08:05 PM
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| *LOL* Okay, at least I know I wasn't the only one who was thinking he was pulling the "racist" card simply to be a prick....or because he was an idiot. I knew that the Army had started putting all-black units on the line very late in the war (instead of just in support roles...although, in one account of the Battle of the Bulge, one of the guys in the 101st had his foxhole near some "colored" artillery unit, and they all shared what meager supplies they had with each other, supported each other unhesitatingly during battles, and even mentioned that the black troops picked up rifles and gave a very good accounting during one skirmish...."Seven Roads to Hell" by Donald R. Burgette). I wasn't sure, off the top of my rather empty head, whether there were any black infantry units at Iwo, but the support troops did a bang-up job no matter where they were. However...."Flags of Our Fathers" was about the six flag raisers. "Letters from Iwo Jima" was from the Japanese side. Neither of which had integrated companies at that time. Spike....you're a moron. History happened, don't change it. And you weren't there, so we owe you nothing. As said before, I salute any serviceman, no matter what his race (or, on occasion, no matter which side he was on). If Spike Lee had served his country, that'd be another matter. He just wants attention.
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06-10-2008, 09:38 PM
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| aka Dickcheese   Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State
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| Lee is a racist and a bigot. Like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, he is nothing more than a race pimp. Pushing revisionist history and threats of reparations in order to further his own personal gains. May he and the other two effers rot in hell for holding back a whole race of people with real potential.
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06-10-2008, 10:31 PM
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| Amen. 
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06-10-2008, 10:33 PM
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| The Pop-Tart Whisperer   Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States
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| Hear, hear!!
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06-10-2008, 11:57 PM
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06-11-2008, 12:15 AM
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06-11-2008, 04:08 AM
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| Aside from the race issue, Clint needs to check up on his history too - the original picture of the flag raising on Iwo Jima was a fairly mundane scene with only one soldier sitting idly on the ground keeping watch, while a number of soldiers quietly raise the flag behind him, on a mast already in place. It is obvious the battle is over, and they're not expecting enemy fire. The 'struggling together to upright the masted flag pole' is a posed shot and was taken later to better symbolize the struggle of the battle. Last edited by A4K; 06-11-2008 at 04:10 AM. |
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06-11-2008, 04:20 AM
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| Lee's an idiot! If anyone bothers to look there IS a scene showing two negro's onboard the assault ship, when the marines are been briefed.
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06-11-2008, 07:33 AM
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06-11-2008, 08:04 AM
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| Are you sure, TO? There was an article published in an Austrian magazine in 1999 on the most symbolic or influential photographs of the 20th century, which included the pictures and information I mentioned. |
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06-11-2008, 08:41 AM
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| A4K, There are a lot more credible sources than an Austrian magazine article from 1999. Actually there is film footage of the second flag raising that shows the flag going up. Joe Rosenthal was standing right next to the guy with the movie camera and snapped a picture. Going frame by frame of the movie, it is possible to freeze a frame and identify the exact moment when Rosenthal took his picture. Not a posed picture for Joe to take, just an incredibly lucky shot at the best possible moment. Clint Eastwood did a good job in "Flags" to accurately portray the scene. BTW, there were a number of posed shots of the Marines celebrating at the top of Mt Suribachi after the flag raising. TO
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06-11-2008, 09:49 AM
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| The article came from a magazine called 'Profil' which is a political, historical, and technological magazine, not just some 'woman's weekly'. What you say sounds believable, but that magazine sure dosen't print tripe...and if the picture concerned is the immortalized one of five or so Marines struggling to push up the US flag, then we're talking about the same thing... Do any of our Austrian friends have that Profil ?? |
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06-11-2008, 10:19 AM
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| Where I can find what exactly Spike Lee said? |
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06-11-2008, 10:21 AM
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| Heh. Yeah, there's been a lot of controversy over the years as to whether or not "the flag picture" was real or staged. History does agree, though, that the picture in question was not of the original flag raising, as was inaccurately printed when the photo first came out, but was in fact of the second raising, which came about because someone wanted the original flag to take back to Marine Corps Headquarters in Washington, and because they wanted a larger flag that would be easier to see from anywhere on the island. Joe Rosenthal accompanied the platoon carrying the second flag to the top of Suribachi, met another photographer on the way down, and nearly turned around when he found out that "the momentous occasion" was already over, but decided to continue when the other photographer mentioned "but there's a great view of the harbor from up there". He happened to be in the right spot at the right time. The flagpole was not already planted in the ground due to the fact that the only pole they could find that would be tall enough to hold the larger flag was rather heavy, and since fighting was still going on in and around Suribachi, nobody really wanted to climb up the thing to tie the flag on. So it was attached on the ground, and the guys raised the pole with the flag already on it. Later on, he posed a bunch of Marines around the pole for the usual "gung-ho" shot with everybody cheering. Rosenthal's camera had gotten wet getting off the landing craft that morning, so when he turned in the film, he didn't even know if anything on the roll would come out. Only three or four shots DID survive, and they were AP-wired back to the US before he even saw them. When he got back to the US, someone asked him if "the photo had been posed". Thinking that maybe the one he took the time to set up and frame was the one that had come out, instead of the "one in a million" snap as the flag was going up, he said that yes, he had posed the pic. By this time, he still hadn't seen the Photo. So....folks have always believed that The Photo was staged. Staged....not staged....the photo is an incredible picture, and will forever remain one of the greatest images from the 20th Century. And Spike Lee is still an idiot. Attached pics are: 1) First flag raising on Suribachi 2) Taking down first flag, second flag has already been raised 3) The Photo, second flag-raising 4) staged "gung-ho" photo after second flag raising (Ira Hayes on far left, sitting)
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