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Country:  | I saw Mr Miranda (my neighbor) this morning. He apologized for "clouding
up" (his words) the last time we spoke. He said it was un-manly, and he
was very sorry. He has always been Mr. Miranda to me, but I found out his
name is Manuel Mendoza Miranda. He said he would like to show me some
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Originally Posted by syscom3  | Pretty Interesting - I would bet he knew my wife's grandfather.
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Country: | During 41-42, MacArthur was in a long fight with a short stick and although mistakes were made during the Japanese invasion of the Philipines, overall I believe he was the best general the US had in WW2. He was certainly an egocentric personality but he got the job done and usually with a low casualty rate, unlike the campaigns run by the Navy and Marines.
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Originally Posted by renrich During 41-42, MacArthur was in a long fight with a short stick and although mistakes were made during the Japanese invasion of the Philipines, overall I believe he was the best general the US had in WW2. He was certainly an egocentric personality but he got the job done and usually with a low casualty rate, unlike the campaigns run by the Navy and Marines. | He was also an extremely fast learner. When he was ordered back to Australia, he had formulated a basis of what strategy and tactics could defeat the Japanese.
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Mac had a few hiccups with the Australians in the latter part of 1942. He is still liked and admired, but his casitgation of the Australians at the final parts of the Kokoda Campaign in the Buna-Gona-Sananada area was pretty disgraceful Green American units sent to fight, essesentially to show the aussies how its done basically fell apart. There was never going to be any other result.The American units were short on experience and training (and I suspect equipment), and were apparently going to show up veterans who had jungle warfare experience, and more than two years general combat experience before that. Macs comments, which were known by the Australians fighting hard at the front, were not appreciated, i can tell you.
Later however, in the Northern NG campaign, Mac did get his act together. He was a sound military commander, and possessed a charismatic persona. The Aussies eventually grew to be very attached to this American general, after a somewhat rocky start.
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Country: | When looking at his record overall, WW1, superintendent of West Point, WW2, Japan occupation, Korea, he would have to be high on my list of the greatest men of the 20th century. I wonder what would have been the result if he had been supreme commander in the ETO?
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Country: | As stated - he learned quickly. The only thing he couldn't figure out was how to fight a "political" police action war where your mandate was NOT to soundly defeat your enemy by all means possible.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ As stated - he learned quickly. The only thing he couldn't figure out was how to fight a "political" police action war where your mandate was NOT to soundly defeat your enemy by all means possible. | He forgot a fundamental truism in the US Military .... The president is your commander.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 He forgot a fundamental truism in the US Military .... The president is your commander. | That is true - at the same time that president (and a few others) forgot that you don't commit troops to fight a war and then prevent them from winning it.....
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ That is true - at the same time that president (and a few others) forgot that you don't commit troops to fight a war and then prevent them from winning it..... | But the chain of command trumps all else.
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Originally Posted by syscom3 But the chain of command trumps all else. | It does - especially if it's the politically correct thing to do.....
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Country: | To me, an interesting thing about Mac was how politically astute he appeared to be when he ruled Japan and yet he misread the tea leaves when it came to his relationship with Truman. Or maybe he did not but his ego would not let him yield his position. It was rather tragic that a career such as his ended when he was surprised by the ChiComs and then fired by the President. His farewell speech at West Point is one of the best I have ever read, right up there with Churchill. | |
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i dont think he had a chance with truman. I like truman as a president, but I have read that Mac was touted as a republican contender. Once that was out of the bag....truman was going to get him no matter what he did.
Mind you, he did make it rather easy for the knives to be sunk in. You dont disobey the supreme commander, risk WWIII and get away with it.
He just came from a different age I guess, kinda like John Wayne movies,
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Country: | All true folks - remember Truman's administrations after WW2 weren't all rosy - he almost lost the 48 election and got chastised over the state of the US military at the start of the Korean War. There were also numerous corruption charges directed at people working for him and the US economy wasn't that rosy either. I think all this plus the situation with Mac assured a Republican administration for the next 8 years and Eisenhower was the perfect man at the perfect time.....
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