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Old 07-20-2006, 10:28 AM   #16
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talk to a pilot maybe you can scrounge his old High level charts its the map of the airways for high level they get updated quite often so it should be easy to nab a recently outdated one easy
Or you can order them from Sporty's. Here's a link:

Sporty's En Route Low Altitude Chart Order Form

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Old 07-20-2006, 10:48 AM   #17
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Here's another great site...

Skyvector.com - Online Aeronautical Charts
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Old 07-20-2006, 11:21 AM   #18
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Yeah I can navigate really well. As a crewchief we help the pilots with navigating on flights and I learned in the Army a lot of about terraign navigating. You give me a map and compass I am good.
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I learned in Geography to navigate with a map and I can not tell you street names but I can get you there by using land marks, shops, buildings and other stuff. I love to use a map and when I am in large city's I use maps to get there and love to use short cuts.

I thank Geography for that.
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Old 07-20-2006, 05:40 PM   #20
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I need to learn celestial navigation, like what the proffesional mariners need to learn.

I'd like to learn to use a sextant and chronograph.
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Have anyone of you heard of John Harrison and his invention of the reliable marine chronometer? Its amazing that this man was a self taught mechanical genious who solved the problem of building a clock that actually kept accurate time.

John Harrison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Harrison in Lincolnshire

Harrison was born at Foulby, near Wakefield, in Yorkshire. Around 1700, the family moved to the North Lincolnshire village of Barrow upon Humber. First following his father's trade as a carpenter, Harrison built and repaired clocks in his spare time. Legend has it that at the age of six while in bed with smallpox, he was given a watch to amuse himself, supposedly spending hours listening to it and studying its moving parts. As clocks and watches of all kinds were rare and expensive at the time, and Harrison came from a family of only modest means, it is likely the legend is false or the timepiece was broken enough to be worth little.

He built his first longcase clock in 1713, at the age of 20. The mechanism was made entirely of wood, which was not a curious choice of material for a joiner. Three of Harrison's early wooden clocks have survived; the first (1713) is an old device for the step-by-step release of a clock's driving power. Being almost frictionless, it required no oiling.

The first three marine timekeepers

In 1730 Harrison made a description and drawings for a proposed marine clock to compete for the Longitude Prize and headed for London seeking financial assistance. He met with Edmond Halley, the Astronomer Royal, and presented his ideas. Halley sent him to meet George Graham, the country's foremost horologist (clockmaker). He must have been impressed by Harrison, for Graham personally loaned him money and told him to build a model of his marine clock. It took Harrison seven years to build Harrison Number One or H1. He showed it to members of the Royal Society who spoke on his behalf to the Board of Longitude. After fourteen years of failures, the Board was so skeptical of any such design that they demanded a sea trial. Harrison sailed to Lisbon and back aboard two naval vessels, and on their return both the Captain and the Master (navigator) praised the design. The Master noted that his own calculations had placed the ship sixty miles east of its true landfall which had been correctly predicted by Harrison using H1.

This was not the transatlantic voyage demanded by the Board of Longitude, but the Board was impressed enough to grant Harrison 500 pounds for continued work. Harrison moved on to develop a more compact and rugged version, H2. In 1741, after three years of building and two of on-land testing, H2 was ready, but by then Britain was at war with Spain in the War of Austrian Succession and the mechanism was deemed too important to risk falling into Spanish hands. He was granted another £500 by the Board while waiting for the war to end, which he used to work on H3. But by 1755 he had become convinced that large machines were not the right route to a marine timekeeper. H3 had proved a very valuable experiment, teaching Harrison a huge amount about the design and making of balance springs and it left the world two enduring legacies — the bimetallic strip thermometer and the caged roller bearing.

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Based on a watch made to his designs by John Jefferys, he proposed to build two new timekeepers, a larger and a smaller watch. It was the larger H4 that was to be his masterpiece — an instrument of beauty, having the shape of a large pocketwatch but the size of a soup plate.

H4 took six years to construct, and Harrison, by then 68 years old, sent it on its transatlantic trial in the care of his son, William, in 1761. When the ship reached Jamaica the watch was only two miles in error. When the ship returned Harrison waited for the £20,000 prize, but the Board refused to believe the accuracy was not just luck, and demanded another trial. The Harrisons were outraged and demanded their prize, a matter that eventually worked its way to Parliament, which offered £5,000 for the design. The Harrisons refused but were eventually obliged to make another trip, to the Caribbean city of Bridgetown, on the island of Barbados to settle the matter.

At the time of the trial, another method for measuring longitude was being developed to the point where it was ready for testing, the Method of Lunar Distances. The moon moves fast enough, some twelve degrees a day, to easily measure the movement from day to day. By comparing the angle between the moon and the sun for today and when you left Britain (or more typically over Greenwich), the "proper position" of the moon could be calculated. By then comparing this with the angle of the moon over the horizon, the longitude could be calculated.

On Harrison's second H4 trial, the Reverend Nevil Maskelyne was asked to accompany the ship and test the Lunar Distances system. Once again H4 proved almost astonishingly accurate, measuring Bridgetown to within 10 miles. Maskelyne's measures were also fairly good, at 30 miles, but required considerable work and calculation in order to use. At a meeting of the Board in 1765 the results were presented, and once again they could not believe it was not just luck. Once again the matter reached Parliament, which offered £10,000 in advance and the other half once he turned over the design to other watchmakers to duplicate. In the meantime H4 would have to be turned over to the Astronomer Royal for long-term on-land testing.

Unfortunately, Nevil Maskelyne had been appointed Astronomer Royal on his return from Barbados, and was therefore also placed on the Board of Longitude. He returned a report of the H4 that was negative, claiming that the "drift rate" of the clock, the amount of time it gained or lost per day, was actually an inaccuracy, and refused to allow it to be factored out when measuring longitude. This made the H4 fail the needs of the Board, even though in reality it had already proven itself twice.

Harrison started work on his H5 while the testing was continuing, with H4 being effectively held hostage by the Board. After three years of this he had had enough; Harrison felt "extremely ill used by the gentlemen who I might have expected better treatment from" and decided to enlist the aid of King George III. He asked for and was granted an audience with the King, who became extremely annoyed with the Board. King George tested H5 himself at the palace and when it had lost only four and a half seconds in ten days he was outraged and is said to have stormed "By God Harrison, I'll see you righted!", and told Harrison to petition Parliament for the full prize after threatening to appear in person to dress them down. So in 1773, Harrison finally received his reward.

James Cook used a copy of H4, made by Larcum Kendall who had been apprenticed to John Jefferys on his voyages. Cook's log is full of praise for the watch and the charts of the southern Pacific Ocean he made with its use were remarkably accurate. The cost of these clocks was so high that the Lunar Distances method would also go on to be widely used for the next hundred years.
Harrison died on his eighty-third birthday and is buried in the graveyard of St John's Church, Hampstead along with his second wife, Elizabeth and their son William. His tomb was comprehensively rebuilt in 1879 by the Worshipful Company of Clockmakers even though Harrison had never been a member of the Company.

Harrison's last home was in Red Lion Square in London, now a short walk from the Holborn Underground station. There is a plaque to Harrison on the wall of Summit House in the south side of the square. A memorial tablet to Harrison was unveiled in Westminster Abbey on the 24th of March 2006 finally recognising him as a worthy companion to his friend George Graham and Thomas Tompion,"The Father of English Watchmaking" who are both buried in the Abbey. The memorial shows a meridian line (line of constant longitude) in two metals to highlight Harrison's most widespread invention, the bimetallic strip thermometer. The strip is engraved with its own longitude of 0 degrees, 7minutes and 35seconds West.
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Old 07-21-2006, 07:56 AM   #22
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i can navigate fine with a map and compass, i can find south with a watch and can tell you there north(ish) is almost anywhere in cornwall and parts of devon without a compass or watch, just from remembering landmarks and directions we've travelled.........
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When I first went into the Naval Reserve, I did a 3 day survival course. I evaded the first night and got from point A to point B (had a compass, no map). They caught me late in the second day, hosed me down, made me stand for hours occasionally throwing wather on me, kept me up all night.
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I am great at navigating, give me a map and I am fine. Now my wife on the other hand is brutal at using a map. Which makes it difficult. I love her but she is horrible at navigating. So you ask why don't she drive and I navigate when we are in a new city? Well she is bad at using a map but a worse driver. She has been involved in 18 accidents and she is 35 old. So what ends up happening is I drive for our safety and I navigate at the same time, having to stop frequently to look at the map. I give her a hard time whenever she picks up a map, lol.
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Give me a compass, a map, a pencil and a straightedge, and I'll get you anywhere you want with great precision.
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"When I first went into the Naval Reserve, I did a 3 day survival course. I evaded the first night and got from point A to point B (had a compass, no map). They caught me late in the second day, hosed me down, made me stand for hours occasionally throwing wather on me, kept me up all night."

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Put a hood over your head and throw water on it, so you can hardly breath. Did that to my dad, he says he loved escape and evasion.
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"When I first went into the Naval Reserve, I did a 3 day survival course. I evaded the first night and got from point A to point B (had a compass, no map). They caught me late in the second day, hosed me down, made me stand for hours occasionally throwing wather on me, kept me up all night."

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Put a hood over your head and throw water on it, so you can hardly breath. Did that to my dad, he says he loved escape and evasion.
Yep That was the best part. They actually treated me pretty decent because I evaded them for almost 24 hours, some of the other guys were captured within a few hours.

I got very drunk when this was behind me!
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