Commandos Around the World

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-22-2007, 07:56 AM

If that is the case then the German KSK does not fall under this either as they are more like the SAS, Special Forces, etc..

evangilder · 09-22-2007, 08:43 AM

Interesting info, but a lot of SpecOps guys are not "Commandos". USAF PJs are pretty hardcore. I have seen them in action, and it is amazing. I don't consider them commandos though. CCTs are definitely important, but the weather guys were so misnamed. The OWS guys would not only provide weather data for ops, but would often be the very first guys in to not only give the current weather conditions, but carry the instruments in to be able to forecast for the op.

trackend · 09-22-2007, 11:39 AM

All I'll say is my old man was in combined ops and served with RM and Army Commandos the smallest raid he went on was 5 landing craft with each holding 36 men.
180 men is somewhat larger than most specialist forces could muster. Commandos used totally different tactics & they were far more a hit and run set piece raiding force as opposed to more covert operations that could last for extended periods behind enemy lines Eg SAS, SBS etc. For this purpose the training progressed into fields for the Specialist forces that were not required for Commando work.

That in no way reduces the high standards that the Commandos required.
all were still required to have extensive knowledge of survival, enemy weaponry ect and most importantly have the right mental attitude.
Of the 2 my old man found the Army Commandos to have the edge over the Marine Commandos as the RM's officer echelon was still a them and us attitude. The Army unit officers were much more integrated with the men which made for a very close knit unit and generally they were tougher (& nuttier) than the men they lead . The closest he came to US commandos were the Rangers who he thought excelled over the British when carrying out operations that involved cliff scaling as he put it "Like rats up a drain pipe no sooner had you hit the beach than there was a trooper stood on the top of the cliff".

plan_D · 09-24-2007, 09:59 AM

"The Ego has spoken eh?

Mate you're really taking the **** - we're discussing 'commandos' and you wade in with a load of self-important rubbish about the paras & RAF Regt.

Please explain what prompted you to add 2/3 PARA to a discussion about commandos - have you redefined commando and not bothered to shame your munificent judgement??

So The A&MWC bit was a joke?
I'm so, so sorry I just thought you were being stupid - the rest of your post confused me. I get it now, a fine joke - you should think of selling it.

So 1 squadron of RAF Regt are para trained and that makes them the same as the PARAS and the RM - yeah right. No doubt you'll tell us they're fully-CRW trained as well."

I'm not your mate, you're an idiot.

You started talking about the Royal Marines while everyone else is talking about Special Forces. If you learnt to read; you'd see that I said "And if you want to go on about the Royal Marines as a whole you're going to have to mention the RAF Regiment and Paras"

Royal Marines are called Commandos, but they're not Special Forces. So, you ranting about Royal Marines meant nothing. My RAF Regiment and Para comment was simply comparing the RM to them, you obviously don't have a clue about anything if you simply think that the Regiment guard airfields.

It's not my fault you're a freakin' moron and don't have a clue. And I said 2 Sqn. of the RAF Regiment is parachute trained not 1 Sqn. you dipsh*t. Where did I say 1 sqn. ?!

I think you just need to read and learn more, and when you're going to reply to me just read the post properly. Have you actually read about the RAF Regiment yet, or are you still believing you know it all?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-25-2007, 02:08 PM

Allright everyone play nice.

lesofprimus · 09-25-2007, 04:49 PM

Bah, let em duke it out....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-26-2007, 02:43 PM

Yeah but I have to say it for formality.

Watanbe · 09-27-2007, 09:29 AM

I think it is important to define the roles of the groups.

Commandos are not SAS etc, they fulfill differenet roles. I remember a former Australian SAS Sniper talking to us once at my school and simply explained the differences.

Commandos are used to attack positions and to raid the opposition, as shown by the daring rides in WW2. They generally attack in larger numbers and assault an enemy with an objective.

SAS etc however are generally small groups of soldiers on long range (greater than 48 hours) patrols and surveillance. The major role of these groups is recon and special tasks. In Australia they are taught survival techniques and are trained to act self sufficient and independently.

Hope that very basic summary cleared a few things up!

k9kiwi · 09-30-2007, 02:14 PM

Look at it this way.

Commandos / Rangers are tactical assets.

SAS / SEALs are strategic assets.

And Plan_D, you are a twat.

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If the rocks simply guard airfields, why is II Squadron para trained?

Some airfields are a bit far to walk to in a single afternoon stroll old chap.

From the RAF home page for the Regiment...

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Our Corps is a diverse organization that provides first-rate worldwide Force Protection to UK air assets.

Working on that logic I imagine some of them would know how to row a bloody dinghy as well, now that will p!ss of the Marines.

rogthedodge · 10-08-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by k9kiwi

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And Plan_D, you are a twat.

I concur

Oh and Plan D I said '1 squadron' - as in one out of two, not 1 as in #1.

If I'd mean 1 Squadron I'd have used the capital S.

See the difference?

"You started talking about the Royal Marines while everyone else is talking about Special Forces. If you learnt to read; you'd see that I said "And if you want to go on about the Royal Marines as a whole you're going to have to mention the RAF Regiment and Paras""

Keep digging.

The thread's about 'commandos' so RM definitely come under this.

Perhaps you missed the title in your rush to bang on about the mighty 2 RAF Regt. IIRC they have the lowest acceptable score on the intelligence test for admission - perhaps that explains it all....

Re bold bit above - why?? Why on earth are you 'going to have to mention the RAF Regt & Paras'?

Again for the hard of thinking

I said SF shouldn't be included but if they were to be then more info/units should be included -ie UKSF units.

Obviously I can read, but obviously you can't follow / construct a cogent argument.

Any other choice little insults you want to hurl?

lesofprimus · 10-09-2007, 05:48 AM

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Obviously I can read, but obviously you can't follow / construct a cogent argument.

I would like to enlighten u to something roge.... PlanD has been here for a looong time and has fathered some very interesting debates, as well as throwing out alot of little known info that was only found with hours and hours of research... His arguments are always supported and his views are right on track with the majority....

I value his dedicated and informed opinion more than urs, and most every other Brit here....

If u want to pick a fight with someone, best to start off with the small frys first before goin after an Orca....

Hunter368 · 10-09-2007, 09:02 AM

rogthedodge · 10-09-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

I would like to enlighten u to something roge.... PlanD has been here for a looong time and has fathered some very interesting debates, as well as throwing out alot of little known info that was only found with hours and hours of research... His arguments are always supported and his views are right on track with the majority....

I value his dedicated and informed opinion more than urs, and most every other Brit here....

If u want to pick a fight with someone, best to start off with the small frys first before goin after an Orca....

(Some of) That may be true but on this thread he has missed the point, spouted bllox and then attacked & insulted me.

The info I posted was correct, well-researched and added to the debate, his was partial and off-topic.

He is very defensive which seems odd in someone so omnipotent. Your unquestioning support of such an obvious keyboard warrior is confusing.

Read the entire thread again rather than react on the basis of supposed expertise. See who started the duff info and the insults

I hope you can see past your prejudices

Every board seems to have one tame hero who's allowed to flout the rules, spout crap and gets away with loads - think I've spotted this board's.

Lucky13 · 10-09-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

If u want to pick a fight with someone, best to start off with the small frys first before goin after an Orca....

Wise words spoken by a wise man....

Hunter368 · 10-09-2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rogthedodge

(Some of) That may be true but on this thread he has missed the point, spouted bllox and then attacked & insulted me.

The info I posted was correct, well-researched and added to the debate, his was partial and off-topic.

He is very defensive which seems odd in someone so omnipotent. Your unquestioning support of such an obvious keyboard warrior is confusing.

Read the entire thread again rather than react on the basis of supposed expertise. See who started the duff info and the insults

I hope you can see past your prejudices

Every board seems to have one tame hero who's allowed to flout the rules, spout crap and gets away with loads - think I've spotted this board's.

Rog,

PlanD is a well respected member of the forum, he is knowledgeable and informed (like Dan mentioned).

PlanD is no one's "Hero" here and to suggest that "I" find kinda insulting. There is many many knowledgeable people here and to suggest that we are someone's nut hugger is insulting to us all.

There are many unique and colorfully members here, they take all shapes and sizes.......but most are knowledgeable also. Some people here have different ways of speaking........at times a person needs to have thick skin (this is a military site not a daycare). I seen the first time PlanD addressed you and it was not that bad (small insult only). If you disagree with him fine, prove him wrong (good luck with that). PlanD is very informed whether you like him or not. I respect his hard work and knowledge a great deal, he has proven himself here 100 (or more) times over.

I would suggest you just let it go. Now you have Dan involved in this disagreement, that is not great. Rog, you seem like a reasonable guy from what I have seen.......just let it go. You cannot win this disagreement. Stop now before it gets worse, let it go. Perhaps take a few days off the forum to cool down.

Thats my $0.02 take it or leave it.