Hiatusss... *dun dun dun*

[The Jagdflieger Pips]

That's true, and I apologize if I came off as offensive and such... I hate conflict on forums and coming off the wrong way.

[Pisis]

nope, you ain't offensive

[The Jagdflieger Pips]

Yay! I'mma continue the spammage. *spams her own thread*

[Medvedya]

But Pisis, couldn't it be said that ordinary Germans got caught up in it?

At the beginning of the Thirties, Germany was flat broke, and still reeling from the legacy of the Great War. There were different political groups all shooting it out in the streets and an ineffectual goverment trying to hold it together.

Then comes this guy from the Austrian border who promises to stablise the place, and make it strong again - wouldn't you be taken in and want to believe it?

By the time people started to disappear and the malign elements of the regime began to really show themselves it was too late.

I know that you'll never agree with me, but those two guys at the end of the Stalingrad film? I regard such people as victims of the horror and insanity of it all as well.

No day trips to Hell.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Good luck with school.

[plan_D]

People who fought against the "Nazis" have mostly respect for their combat capability. During the D-Day celebrations I saw many veterans from both sides shaking hands and talking. There was no bitterness, despite the fact one of the men could have shot the other's friends.

Not all the Germans were fighting for Nazism. Not all were Nazis. And even for those that were, I give credit where credit is due. I admire the bravery, fighting skill and technology of Nazi Germany's forces. It's quite obvious that Pips admires the skill and bravery of Marseille. No harm in that.

And for his political orientation - "You cannot be a soldier and a politician. You can only be one or the other, never both."

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

And I also disagree Pisis. My family were not Nazis.

Are you are and your families comunists because they lived in a comunist country and some may have served in a communist army? You see it can go both ways.

[Clave]

That's the truth.

[Pisis]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Are you are and your families comunists because they lived in a comunist country and some may have served in a communist army? You see it can go both ways.

My family was persecuated by both Nazis and Communists...

Originally Posted by plan_D

And for his political orientation - "You cannot be a soldier and a politician. You can only be one or the other, never both."

Hmmm, that's maybe how you did he feel but in fact he was fighting for Nazionalsozialismus. To defeat the "Underhumans", to gain "life territory for the Aryian white race", etc, etc, etc... I don't dishonour the bravery. But this is an argument of lefties - you could easily say that the Islamic suicide bombers are brave that they "sacrifice their lives for what they believe to"...

For me, the effect is important. and their goal was the same as their politics announced. and for that they invaded tens of countries and killed millions of people.

[Pisis]

Originally Posted by Medvedya

But Pisis, couldn't it be said that ordinary Germans got caught up in it?

Absolutely! Before they really realised what "they caused", it was too late.

[Medvedya]

Originally Posted by Pisis

you could easily say that the Islamic suicide bombers are brave that they "sacrifice their lives for what they believe to"...

Noooo! They're cowards. These guys hit soft targets with underhand methods - women, children, passers-by, and are utterly brainwashed into thinking that they'll get eternal reward at the right hand of Allah.

If you were a Nazi you would say that Kubis and Gabcik were terrorists, but I doubt anyone, anywhere - even Heydrich himself, would say that they weren't brave. They fought a fair fight by honest means, and went after a totally legitimate target.

[The Jagdflieger Pips]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Good luck with school.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by plan_D

It's quite obvious that Pips admires the skill and bravery of Marseille. No harm in that.

That I do. [Same can be said for the other 'pilots of interest'. ]

[plan_D]

Comparing the German military and Islamic extremists is laughable. Germany declared itself an enemy and wore it's uniform as an enemy, as a true fighting spirit would. They never expected anything but to be fought as an enemy.

What makes Islamics cowards and terrorists is the fact that they don't wear the banner of their force. They don't declare war. They aren't an army with colours, rules and regulations ...like all German military uniforms were. All those that fought in a German uniform fought for either national pride, hatred, political following, excitement or ...they were just there at the time when the government called. Possibly a combination of a few.

Just think back to what happened to Germany after World War I. I'm not going to deny that something like that wouldn't enrage me.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree Plan_D right there.

Pisis there were many German soldiers that were not fighting for the Nazi's but rather for there homeland. A soldier does that.

[Gnomey]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Comparing the German military and Islamic extremists is laughable. Germany declared itself an enemy and wore it's uniform as an enemy, as a true fighting spirit would. They never expected anything but to be fought as an enemy.

What makes Islamics cowards and terrorists is the fact that they don't wear the banner of their force. They don't declare war. They aren't an army with colours, rules and regulations ...like all German military uniforms were. All those that fought in a German uniform fought for either national pride, hatred, political following, excitement or ...they were just there at the time when the government called. Possibly a combination of a few.

Just think back to what happened to Germany after World War I. I'm not going to deny that something like that wouldn't enrage me.

Well said pD, I totally agree with that.