Hitler's artwork for sale. - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Matt308 · 09-27-2006, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ***

i don't see what the problem is, he wasn't even a Nazi when he painted them! they're not exactily making a political statement and don't stand for anything nasty..........

Oh yeah. He was writing Mein Kampf at the time.

Here's another.

Meteor · 09-27-2006, 05:52 AM

Its not what they are thats the problem, its who did them. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who will revere them for this and not the fact that they are pretty average watercolours.

evangilder · 09-27-2006, 07:18 AM

They would be worthless if they were done by anyone else. It's the signature, not the painting in these cases.

Matt308 · 09-27-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by evangilder

They would be worthless if they were done by anyone else. It's the signature, not the painting in these cases.

Agreed. However the one I posted above is a little more than average. Damn good if you ask me. Ever try to paint with watercolor? Above my skill level.

cheddar cheese · 09-27-2006, 01:11 PM

That other one looks pretty good...and yes, watercolour is really pretty hard.

Destroyed? Nah, I think there an intersting piece of History...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-01-2006, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Henk

Hitler a painter, oh my, I knew he designed stuff and wanted to be architect, but not a painter.

Yes he originaly aspired and went to school to be an artist in Vienna, Austria. He went into polotics after his art teacher told him his work was crap.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-01-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Meteor

I would have preferred that they burned them if they were real. After all they will probably end up in the lair of some nazi worshiper.

I disagree. They are pieces of history. So should any of the paintings by tyrant kings of England from hundreds of years agobe burned? No ofcourse not. They are history....

I would love to have the paintings if they are real. I am a Third Reich Collector. I have dozens of Uniforms, many many helmets and head gear and other artifacts to include an autograph from Hitler. Does that make me a Nazi Worshiper? Hell no, I love history and enjoy collecting it.

Matt308 · 10-02-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

I disagree. They are pieces of history. So should any of the paintings by tyrant kings of England from hundreds of years agobe burned? No ofcourse not. They are history....

I would love to have the paintings if they are real. I am a Third Reich Collector. I have dozens of Uniforms, many many helmets and head gear and other artifacts to include an autograph from Hitler. Does that make me a Nazi Worshiper? Hell no, I love history and enjoy collecting it.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I agree Adler. I find it most irritating that the German gov't won't allow swastikas on renovated WWII aircraft. While I understand the sensitivity, seems plain silly.

Gnomey · 10-02-2006, 11:24 AM

I also agree that they should not be destroyed, if they are destroyed they are forgotten and we all know that history repeats itself...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-02-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. I agree Adler. I find it most irritating that the German gov't won't allow swastikas on renovated WWII aircraft. While I understand the sensitivity, seems plain silly.

That is not 100% true. If the aircraft is original WW2 and is used in Airshows or is presented in Museums it is still allowed to have the swastika on it. If you go to the German Museum in Munich (the German version of the Smithsonian only a bit smaller) all the WW2 german stuff from uniforms, to tanks, U-Boots, and Aircraft all have the swastikas on them.

There also was a Bf-109 that was making the airshow circuit here in Germany last year that had the swastika still on it and the Me-262 that arrived in Berlin in September had the Swatzika on it.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-02-2006, 01:14 PM

Besides all of my Third Reich artifacts have the swatzika on them and I would be damned if I remove them.

timshatz · 10-02-2006, 04:32 PM

I agree with Evan abd Cheddar. Not exactly good art. Kinda fair at best. One of those "starving artist" paintings that are knocked out. Ok, not that bad but close. Mundane is the word that comes to mind.

The painting is famous (if real at all) not because of artistic skill but due to the guy who painted it doing something as a non-painter. If it were not for that, those paintings would be going for 10 euros a pop in some flea market in Munich.

Crippen · 10-07-2006, 03:54 PM

I thought Hitler was a clever man, unfortunately mad men often are, just think though if his art teacher had dished out a couple of 'A' marks, how history could have been very different.

I think his pics are ok, but I would call tham 'hotel pics' you know, the type you find on your hotel bedroom walls- inoffensively boring, until you cant sleep and then your brain starts to see them quite differently.
jeez i must take sleeping tablets next holiday

Bug_racer · 10-07-2006, 07:10 PM

Those who make the comments of Hitler being evil etc etc . This is a piece of history of a man that had a vision and carried out what he beleived in . I know you'll go on and on about killing 6 million jews etc , but how many people did Stalin kill or Mao Tse Tung ? My Great Grandfather was killed by Russian Soldiers in ww2 I dont hold a grudge against them in any way , that was just how it was at the time . Im not saying it was right but its just out of context when a painting is displayed . Comment on the painting . If you want to comment about the man and what he has done start a new post and ramble there !!!!

And the painting itself , seems simple . Maybe it was just keeping is mind away from the events that were happening at the time . Anyone know when he painted last ? There must have been a point when he gave up painting to concentrate on politics more

Henk · 10-08-2006, 06:18 AM

The fact that the swastika must be removed from WW2 artifacts is crap and to destroy something of historic value is bull. Hitler was not mad just believed in his own way and lived according to it, but he was also not stupid. Hitler got in to the Nazi party when he was undercover for the army to go and investigate how these groups work and what there plans where, but he got interested and went into politics.

The romans were cruel to other nations and made a lot of people suffer, but does history look past them or destroy the artifacts of them because they were cruel?

09-27-2006, 07:18 AM	#18
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Henk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: George - South Africa Posts: 2,787	The fact that the swastika must be removed from WW2 artifacts is crap and to destroy something of historic value is bull. Hitler was not mad just believed in his own way and lived according to it, but he was also not stupid. Hitler got in to the Nazi party when he was undercover for the army to go and investigate how these groups work and what there plans where, but he got interested and went into politics. The romans were cruel to other nations and made a lot of people suffer, but does history look past them or destroy the artifacts of them because they were cruel? __________________ The ultimate revolution in aircraft designs during WW2

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09-27-2006, 05:52 AM	#17
Meteor Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 29	Its not what they are thats the problem, its who did them. Unfortunately there are a lot of people out there who will revere them for this and not the fact that they are pretty average watercolours.

09-27-2006, 01:11 PM	#20
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	That other one looks pretty good...and yes, watercolour is really pretty hard. Destroyed? Nah, I think there an intersting piece of History...

10-02-2006, 04:32 PM	#27
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,820	I agree with Evan abd Cheddar. Not exactly good art. Kinda fair at best. One of those "starving artist" paintings that are knocked out. Ok, not that bad but close. Mundane is the word that comes to mind. The painting is famous (if real at all) not because of artistic skill but due to the guy who painted it doing something as a non-painter. If it were not for that, those paintings would be going for 10 euros a pop in some flea market in Munich.

10-07-2006, 03:54 PM	#28
Crippen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The home of the Sky blues, Manchester. UK Posts: 482	I thought Hitler was a clever man, unfortunately mad men often are, just think though if his art teacher had dished out a couple of 'A' marks, how history could have been very different. I think his pics are ok, but I would call tham 'hotel pics' you know, the type you find on your hotel bedroom walls- inoffensively boring, until you cant sleep and then your brain starts to see them quite differently. jeez i must take sleeping tablets next holiday

10-07-2006, 07:10 PM	#29
Bug_racer Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 90	Those who make the comments of Hitler being evil etc etc . This is a piece of history of a man that had a vision and carried out what he beleived in . I know you'll go on and on about killing 6 million jews etc , but how many people did Stalin kill or Mao Tse Tung ? My Great Grandfather was killed by Russian Soldiers in ww2 I dont hold a grudge against them in any way , that was just how it was at the time . Im not saying it was right but its just out of context when a painting is displayed . Comment on the painting . If you want to comment about the man and what he has done start a new post and ramble there !!!! And the painting itself , seems simple . Maybe it was just keeping is mind away from the events that were happening at the time . Anyone know when he painted last ? There must have been a point when he gave up painting to concentrate on politics more

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