 | Honour in War ??| OFF-Topic / Misc. Discuss Honour in War ?? in the Current forums; Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ
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12-23-2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Ask about Japanese shooting US pilots out of their chutes! | As Japanese saliors about US pilots straffing troops swiming away from sinking troop carriers.
Bad things happened by all sides during the war. Let he who has commited no sin cast the first stone.
Generally speaking, the Western Allies held up certain notions of humanity and equality better than their Axis or Soviet counterparts, but even they have their own shameful moments. | Shooting pilots from their chutes is one thing, strafing troops, especially troops that fought ferociously and won't surrender is another..
But I agree with the 2dn statement 100% | I agree fb 100% I have read alot on German pilots from WW2 (more than anyother nations pilots), the comment about USA pilots shooting German jet pilots might just of been their thoughts only. I will try and find it.
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12-23-2005, 11:56 AM
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Country:  | One Czechoslovak pilot told me that Germans did the same thing to RAF pilots........ | |
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12-23-2005, 12:00 PM
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Country:  | sorry to dispel your thoughts gents but it was an unwritten order that went around the section commanders ordered their Mustang pilots to drill any bomber killers, this included Bf 110G-2 crews in the fall winter of 43/44 till wars end. the sturm FW boyz literall went down to ground elvel and then flipped up and over to bail out below 500 ft hoping they would not crahs into trees, the ground or houses, the jete boyz received no better treatments at the hands of the US prop jobs. The cine films of too many Mustangs proves my statement to the full........... the 357th was notorious and Bud has described the instance in only very very brief details. hard to suck up I know but. When asked of at least 5 US Mustang pilots they siad basically nothing and tired to change the subject. Was it done........."yes" was the reply. Les mentions the JG 300 volume 1 that unit diary just goes to mid september, and I can assure you the unit got pasted later in the winter through till wars end when fighting both the Russians and the US fighters
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12-23-2005, 12:02 PM
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Country: | Oh there is no doubt that all nations did it sometimes. I don't know if I have not read a book about someone doing it. Just are those only isolated incidents or not. Thats what I am asking if anyone has information on it or not that would be great. The only thing am I asking has anyone heard of USA pilots being encouraged to do it vs German jet pilots or not. Thats all I was asking. I sent Eric a PM to see if he has heard of that, waiting to hear from him.
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12-23-2005, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Erich sorry to dispel your thoughts gents but it was an unwritten order that went around the section commanders ordered their Mustang pilots to drill any bomber killers, this included Bf 110G-2 crews in the fall winter of 43/44 till wars end. the sturm FW boyz literall went down to ground elvel and then flipped up and over to bail out below 500 ft hoping they would not crahs into trees, the ground or houses, the jete boyz received no better treatments at the hands of the US prop jobs. The cine films of too many Mustangs proves my statement to the full........... the 357th was notorious and Bud has described the instance in only very very brief details. hard to suck up I know but. When asked of at least 5 US Mustang pilots they siad basically nothing and tired to change the subject. Was it done........."yes" was the reply. Les mentions the JG 300 volume 1 that unit diary just goes to mid september, and I can assure you the unit got pasted later in the winter through till wars end when fighting both the Russians and the US fighters
v/r E life is fickle ............ Roger Wilco ! | Thanks Eric I thought that was true. I have read about it many times. Yes German pilots were scared to bale out at high attitudes b/c they knew they would be shot floating down. I have also read how they would try and stay in their ship until very low and then jump. Many died tried to get to that lower attitude.
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12-23-2005, 12:16 PM
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12-23-2005, 01:55 PM
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Country: | Pisis, actually it is quite old news only released the last 10 years or so, as the vets are talking not just of their own personal prowess in the air but the deep down dirt which is typical war. you probably cannot even count the numbers of shootdowns of Luftwaffe pilots and it isn;t just the trivial unknowns that did this. As I said the 357thfg is high on the list and the jugs of the 56th. The Bf 110G crews since their Br 21cm were witnessed by Jug p[ilots causing such canrage whwen they did carnage amongst the B-17 formations, the Jug chaps went after the Bf 110's with a vengence/hate. when the 110's belly landed the a/c and crews were blown away if at all possible, same case with Me 262 crews from JG 7, the R4M's did such lethal damge the Mustang pilots of course witnessing this were pissed off, the idea you eliminate one experienced jet crewman then that is one less jet to have to contend with.......
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12-23-2005, 01:58 PM
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as I have said too many times, war sucks, for all sides
| Exactly, and things happen in war that would not happen in peacetime. "War is Hell" and you have to live with that. There is honour in war but there is only so far that it can go as shown by the examples Erich has shown above.
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i can believe it. The same thing boosted the Czechoslovak and Poles because they witnessed what Germans did to their nations...... But all the airmen I had the honour to meet told me they were attacking primary the machines......... They also said "killing the Huns" but whenever they were in their aircraft. I think murdering defenseless figure hanging on the silk is sick.......... | |
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12-23-2005, 05:23 PM
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Country: | very true there seemed to be still some type of honour code with the Luftwaffe though many would disagree. they of course did spread the terror with the Ju 87's 39-42 and all were susceptible whether military or civilian alike, /// what goes around comes around and the German populace felt it from 43 till wars end ......... | |
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12-23-2005, 05:48 PM
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12-26-2005, 12:55 PM
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Country:  | Well here is my take on it. All sides did it. There were Luftwaffe pilots who shot down parachuters, there were US pilots that shot down parachuters, there were British pilots that shot down parachuters. I believe FBJ is on the money though when he says that the Japs were the aces of parachute kills.
The point though is that War is Hell and who cares if some of these pilots did these things. Overall most pilots were of an honorable breed.
Hunter yes there is Honor in war. I have been in the military now for almost 6 years and been on 2 deployments; one to Kosovo and one on a combat tour to Iraq. In those 6 years including the year in Iraq and 10 months in Kosovo I have seen many many honorable things. And these honorable things came from US Military personel. In Iraq I saw things that were so heroic and honorable that it brought me to to tears.
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12-27-2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Well here is my take on it. All sides did it. There were Luftwaffe pilots who shot down parachuters, there were US pilots that shot down parachuters, there were British pilots that shot down parachuters. I believe FBJ is on the money though when he says that the Japs were the aces of parachute kills.
The point though is that War is Hell and who cares if some of these pilots did these things. Overall most pilots were of an honorable breed.
Hunter yes there is Honor in war. I have been in the military now for almost 6 years and been on 2 deployments; one to Kosovo and one on a combat tour to Iraq. In those 6 years including the year in Iraq and 10 months in Kosovo I have seen many many honorable things. And these honorable things came from US Military personel. In Iraq I saw things that were so heroic and honorable that it brought me to to tears. | Thank you for your very insightful opinion Chris.
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12-28-2005, 09:12 AM
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