How crazy is the Catholic Church

[tango35]

Hello folks, at first i dont want to offend in his religious behaviour, but maybe you have read or seen on TV the story about the 9 year old girl who was raped through the last 3 years and now she was pregnant with twins. The twins were aborted in a clinic otherwise the girl would suffer and die.
Now a crazy bishop excomunicated the girl, her family and the the people who made the abortion, and he said he had to this and he ( the catholic church ) had to save the life of the unborn twins instead of the mother.
How crazy is this ?

A 9 year old girl who was raped will be a second time treated in a bad way by her church. For my opinion this is darkest medieaval age thinking.

In my opinion this bishop should shut up his face and think before he says such nonsense.
It can be discussed if abortion is the right way but not if a child is involved or if the femals person becomes pregnant by rape; than is only her decision and not a dicision of a court or the church.

greets

Thomas

[109ROAMING]

What The ......

9

I would LOVE to get my hands on some of these F**kers .OMFG

What has this world come to?

...Hate runs deep

[FLYBOYJ]

Agree Tango -

And again not to offend any catholics but I was raised catholic in my early years and seen some pretty hypocritical things - this doesn't really surprise me. Where I grew up we had known mafia members attending mass, tossing $100 bills in the coffers and then later that day could be seen driving around with their mistresses. Pretty sick.

[evangilder]

Unfortunately, organized religions have a bad side along with a good side. I will not defend the Cathlolic Church about this, it is not my faith. But I will say that sometimes, decisions made by ANY religion or creed make no sense whatsoever. This is one that I will never understand.

[Heinz]

Likewise my experiences via family have left me with NO time for the Catholic Church.

[Vassili Zaitzev]

No to offend anybody, but I'm not very religious. I do believe that there is a god, but I've been to church only three or four times in my life.

[Erich]

sounds medieval and like a typical power hunger from one that was given high position in his area which should not have.

ex-communication is no big deal, there are others- Christian church's that will accept her and her familie and love on her, as she needs it right now besides a truck load of counseling. and a person wonders why in the name of Christ so many are HATED and will never ever set foot in a place of worship ......

[FLYBOYJ]

Well said Erich...

[Captain Dunsel]

Hold it, folks. First off, I am Catholic. I am also not pro-abortion. However, what Tango35 said does not fit what I know of what the Church teaches. I'd like to see the news clippings to know exactly what was said.

Letting the mother die to save the kids is not Catholic teaching. If the kids could be saved, they should be, but not at the cost of the mother's life. If the girl's life was in jeopardy, then it was sad, but necessary to terminate the pregnancies.

Killing the innocent is against all moral teaching, not just religious ones. If that weren't so, we wouldn't have organizations like Atheists for Life.

As to what the bishop said, if the abortion was necessary, then there was no violation of Canon law, and no one would be excommunicated, especially not the girl. Even then, the excommunication can be lifted if the person involved makes a full confession and honestly tries to clean up their act. I know, as my wife's parents forced her to have an abortion when she was a teenager, and she was able to return to the Church and is now active in our parish's Pro-Life ministry.


CD

[evangilder]

If the kids lives could be saved, they should be? Sorry CD, but I have to disagree on this. The pregnant girl was only 9 years old. You honestly cannot ask a 9 year old to carry a pregnancy to full term and give birth at 10. That's just crazy.

I am pretty much pro-life in belief, but also believe in choice. In this case, with rape resulting in pregnancy of a nine year old, termination seems the only choice here.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Captain Dunsel

I'd like to see the news clippings to know exactly what was said.

CD

BBC NEWS | Americas | Rape row sparks excommunications

I Just googled "excommunicted 9 year old raped"

[tango35]

[Hold it, folks. First off, I am Catholic. I am also not pro-abortion. However, what Tango35 said does not fit what I know of what the Church teaches. I'd like to see the news clippings to know exactly what was said.

Letting the mother die to save the kids is not Catholic teaching. If the kids could be saved, they should be, but not at the cost of the mother's life. If the girl's life was in jeopardy, then it was sad, but necessary to terminate the pregnancies.

Killing the innocent is against all moral teaching, not just religious ones. If that weren't so, we wouldn't have organizations like Atheists for Life.

As to what the bishop said, if the abortion was necessary, then there was no violation of Canon law, and no one would be excommunicated, especially not the girl. Even then, the excommunication can be lifted if the person involved makes a full confession and honestly tries to clean up their act. I know, as my wife's parents forced her to have an abortion when she was a teenager, and she was able to return to the Church and is now active in our parish's Pro-Life ministry.]

At first the mother and the doctors were excommunicated for allowing and doing the abortion ( my fault ),
but this makes the whole not better. And the facts are the same.
You said killing of the innocent is against all moral teaching, hmm, whats about rape, or child abuse done by catholic priest ?
OK, so you think that a 9 year girl who is a child should - if she is physical able - to carry out the " fruit " of a criminal act. And for me its a plasphemy to say that rape is " sad ".
And to say that a law has no value for a bishop, hmm, very interesting point of view, so he not better than a criminal who is neglecting the judicial system of a state.
For me these announcements of the catholic church are second rape of this poor girl and not to forget the stepfather raped her 14 year old disabled sister, too.
And did the bishop talked with a raped woman; i dont think so , otherwise he wouldnt say such bulls... . A femal person of any age feels after a rape helpless, dirty and in 99/100 she thinks that she is guilty for what has done with her. A rape - especially when she become pregnant - isnt a gods gift.
And so its her decision - no other persons decision.


And here for you and all the other news clippings to this theme :

greets

Thomas

[Captain Dunsel]

Letting the mother die to save the kids is not Catholic teaching. If the kids could be saved, they should be, but not at the cost of the mother's life. If the girl's life was in jeopardy, then it was sad, but necessary to terminate the pregnancies.

I did not say that rape is sad. I said that the necessity to kill the children to save her life was sad. The idea that the Church demands the mother be sacrified for the sake of the kids is not true. And, as someone who was raped (statuatory and incestuously, but still raped), I cannot approve of it nor any sexual abuse in any form. Still, even though I still bear the emotional scars from my experiences, I cannot put it at the same level as killing someone. The man still needs to be punished, but for a different crime.

After you gave me the articles, I Googled more on the subject. Yes, my wife and I both agree that Bishop Sobrinho over-reached himself, as did Bishop Re. Do remember that one big difference between civil law and Canon law is that the Church has no jails, plus it's a lot easier to come back after confession than it is to be paroled from a penitentiary. Christ tasked us to forgive.

A femal person of any age feels after a rape helpless, dirty and in 99/100 she thinks that she is guilty for what has done with her. A rape - especially when she become pregnant - isnt a gods gift.
And so its her decision - no other persons decision.

First, it isn't just females who feel that way. I know, all too well. Fortunately, I couldn't become pregnant, but I have wondered what my abuser would have done if I had made HER pregnant, as we never used any protection. Second, the little girl in question is innocent. She is unable to make any such decision; she's just too young.

By the way, you do know that "excommunication" simply means that the offenders can't receive communion until they confess, right? They are not cast out of the Church, nor are they not allowed to attend Mass. Whilst not being allowed receive the Host is a significant punishment for Catholics, it does not mean they are no longer welcome in the Church.

CD

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Captain Dunsel

As to what the bishop said, if the abortion was necessary, then there was no violation of Canon law, and no one would be excommunicated,
CD

And yet they were excommunicated for performing an abortion after deciding that a 9 year old girl would likely not survive the attempt to deliver twins

Originally Posted by Captain Dunsel

Yes, my wife and I both agree that Bishop Sobrinho over-reached himself, as did Bishop Re.

Seems to me like a bad case to decide to pick a fight.

Originally Posted by Captain Dunsel

By the way, you do know that "excommunication" simply means that the offenders can't receive communion until they confess, right?
CD

Which means that it is permanent, as the doctor cannot "confess" if he thinks he is doing the right thing. A 9 year old girl who might weigh 50 or 60 pounds is very likely incapable of successful delivery.

Unless the Pope overturns the edict


BTW, Did the Church have any comment about the unemployed single woman having octuplets?

[Crunch]

Originally Posted by Heinz

Likewise my experiences via family have left me with NO time for the Catholic Church.

I'm not going to get into the debate that's unfolding, but I do agree with this.

Full of hypocritical, corrupt wankers. If it was a smaller emerging religion, it'd be deemed a cult.