The Hunter of Nazis Passess Away

[Pisis]

Originally Posted by SM79Sparviero

Sorry, but this sentence is a nonsense.
I repeat, not all German people and armed forces were guilty for the crimes to Jewish, neither they created the first anti-jewish persecutions.

I ask: the word "pogrom" has German roots?

No, it's not. It's my personal feeling. I trully love German WW2 aircraft, they were on the peak of technique level of that day, but they (and any other 1933-45 German/Nazi military technique) represented the forces of evil, the forces that caused I have only 6 family members instead of 150...

How much the people in Germany knew or didn't know about proceeding the crimes on Jews/Roma/others is discutable. The fact is that antisemitism was Reich's official policy.

After lost WWI and Versaille, the proud Deutschvolk wanted to point at someone who's guilty for their unhappines. Who was first on eye? Jews! (not for the first time in history - that's why later on the state of Israel was brought to life...). This combined with hysteric, antisemtic and paranoic nature of Hitler and his fellow comrades went out into holocaust....

Of course there were really evil people, there were also brave people, who were hiding "die Untermenschen" but most of them, as allways, were neglectful...

We cannot generalise, behaviour in situations such as WWII was are purely individual (just to mention admiral Cannaris, who saved some Jews - just consider - Wehrmacht admiral!)

For me, 1933-1945 WWII Germany is an incarnated evil

[plan_D]

Even those Germans that voted against the Nazi Party?

Germany was no more evil than any other extremist nation, Germany was just more powerful.

[Pisis]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Even those Germans that voted against the Nazi Party?

Germany was no more evil than any other extremist nation, Germany was just more powerful.

I talk about items, not people.

Of course there were really evil people, there were also brave people, who were hiding "die Untermenschen" but most of them, as allways, were neglectful...

[ariel81]

most of the germans knew,they saw their jewish neigbours disappear
they are a bunch of savages

[Erich]

ariel be more specific please. Not all villages had Jewish content, not ALL GERMANS knew what was going on with the Jews or eastern block populations. this myth of the all knowing German people doing nothing has been created at wars end and will surivive till the end of time.

did you know tha the war did not touch certain parts of Bayern or parts of austria where farming families could only watch Luftwaffe/US a/c combat each other in the skies, they hoping they would not be bombed out by "Terrorfliegern". these families did not have a clue of what was really going on in the interior of the Reich and it's doomsday machine. Only when the war ended and the soviets came into austria and sacked the cities did word reacah remote areas with the Farming communities in some spots going ever higher in the Alpen to escape retritbution .....

[syscom3]

In Kiev, the Nazis murdered approximately 100,000 people in a ravine named Babi Yar.

......The Germans were counting out only a few people at a time and then letting them move farther on. Machine-gun fire could be heard nearby. For those that realized what was happening and wanted to leave, it was too late. There was a barricade staffed by Germans who were checking identification papers of those wanting out. If the person was Jewish, they were forced to remain. .........

.....Taken from the front of the line in groups of ten, they were led to a corridor, about four or five feet wide, formed by rows of soldiers on each side. The soldiers were holding sticks and would hit the Jews as they went by......

......There was no question of being able to dodge or get away. Brutal blows, immediately drawing blood, descended on their heads, backs and shoulders from left and right. The soldiers kept shouting: "Schnell, schnell!" laughing happily, as if they were watching a circus act; they even found ways of delivering harder blows in the more vulnerable places, the ribs, the stomach and the groin.......

.....Those who hesitated had their clothes ripped off them by force, and were kicked and struck with knuckledusters or clubs by the Germans, who seemed to be drunk with fury in a sort of sadistic rage......

.....Once the Jews were lined up, the Nazis used a machine-gun to shoot them. When shot, they fell into the ravine. Then the next then were brought along the edge and shot........

.....According to the Einsatzgruppe Operational Situation Report No. 101, 33,771 Jews were killed at Babi Yar on September 29 and 30. But this was not the end of the killing at Babi Yar......

....The Nazis next rounded up Gypsies and killed them at Babi Yar. Patients of the Pavlov Psychiatric Hospital were gassed and then dumped into the ravine. Soviet prisoners of war were brought to the ravine and shot. Thousands of other civilians were killed at Babi Yar for trivial reasons, such as a mass shooting in retaliation for just one or two people breaking a Nazi order.....

....The killing continued for months at Babi Yar. It is estimated that 100,000 people were murdered there......

Commiting genocide and murder on a vast scale requires lots of accomplices. To say "I didnt know" is not factual. It should be a warning to all of us what happens when we stay silent in the face of horrors (like Bosnia, Ruwanda, Cambodia).

Note - strange as it seems, the Afrika Corps was never accused of war crimes, even when capturing jewish soldiers. The lack of SS control over Rommel (plus the remoteness from Berlin) meant the army acted in a more proffesional manner.

I myself dont hold any German responsible for what happened when they were to young to do anything. Plus its been 60 years after the fact, and Germany has reearned its right over the years to be a considered a great country.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Germany has reearned its right over the years to be a considered a great country.

Unlike the Japanese

[syscom3]

Japan is another story. What they did in Nanjing was beyond belief.

[ariel81]

sorry,but is very difficult to believe that they didnt knew anithing,they knew,maybe not everithing,but something,for sure

[plan_D]

Grouping all of Germany into one pot and calling it (ultimately them evil) makes you no better than they were back then. The only reason Jews (and the other races, religions and cultues) were attacked is because the Nazi regime used the GROUP to identify the MAN. Wrong, wrong, wrong!

I'm glad we had decent people in the Civilised world invading Germany from the West. If we had those thoughts (ariel and Pisis) all Germany would be destroyed, and all those people dead. Who's the evil then, huh?

And 4 million Germans voted AGAINST the Nazi Party. That's 4 million that you would have killed because "Germans were evil."

[ariel81]

sorry,but what happened with those 4 million??because i never saw anione protesthing against the nazis

[Erich]

were you there in the 1930's till wars end in May of 45 ? Doubt it seriously.

not to offend but again you take the typical Jewish look that all of the German population whether in service, or on the home front is guilty..........have heard all my past 50 years plus.

this thread needs to be locked

[ariel81]

y dont mean guilty,but certainly not inocent

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by ariel81

most of the germans knew,they saw their jewish neigbours disappear
they are a bunch of savages

You know what ariel you can kiss my ass. Yes I said it and you know what I dont like you! Not because you are Isreali or because you are Jewish, but because you mean nothing to me. Thats right I said it. I am of German nationality. I am not a savage. My Grandfather was a Major in the Wehrmacht who fought in France and Russia getting captured in Stalingrad. You know what he is not a Savage! Never has been, never was, and was not when he went to his grave. May he rest in piece. My mother is Grandmother worked for the German Red Cross before and during the War. She is not a Savage, never has been, never was, and will not be the day she dies. My mother is German. She is not a Savage. My aunt is a German, she is not a Savage. The average German people are no better than the Isleali and Palestinian "Savages"!

I understand where your hate comes from and I have deep sympathy for the Jewish people. The Holocaust was wrong and should never be forgotten but you are very wrong in your assessment of the German people and you are barking up the wrong ****ing tree! You want to see Savages Ill show you Savages. Come with me to Iraq and I will show you Savages cutting heads off of people. You want to see Savages look in you own backyard. Isreali and Palestinian extremists killing innocent woman and children are Savages. Yes I said Isreali extremists, they are no better than the Palestinian extremists. You really have problems aerial.

Yes there were very evil Germans before and during WW2 but you can not put them all in the same boat. The vast majority were not bad or evil and you can not blame the German people from today. I had nothing to do with it, my mother had nothing to do with and neither does anyone born after 1945. Hell actually no one born after 1939 really because a 5 year old was innocent.

Think before you speak please or take your attitude some place else and post some place else.

Now on another note, I give my deapest sympthies to Wiesenthal. He was an inspiration to all and it is a grave loss to the free world. Shall we never forget the Holocaust.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by ariel81

y dont mean guilty,but certainly not inocent

Not all Germans were bad, as a matter of fact most were not. You are very wrong in your assumptions. The German people today have nothing to do with the Holocaust and should not be blamed for it. I do not banish the German people for it and neither does most of the people here on this site and that is what makes them better than you.