Hurricane Katrina and Me...

lesofprimus · 09-10-2005, 09:02 AM

First of all, thanks Track for ur concern and thoughts... They are very well recieved....

There was a mandatory evacuation of ALL areas of New Orleans, and any areas south of Highway 90 in Mississippi.... Many MANY people who lived in Nawlins thought that the storm would miss them, like many MANY times in the past, which it did... The leavee broke and all hell broke loose....

The FEMA (Federal) (Bushs') response to this horror and flooding was TOTALLY unacceptable... There were National Guardsman there before FEMA... There were local police and firefighters there....

So tell me -38, how the **** do u come up with the conclusion that it wasnt Bushs' fault, and put the balme on the local leadership????

Heres an idea -38.... Why dont u shut the **** up about **** u have no idea or right to talk about before u REALLY start pissing off the wrong people, namely ME.... U have almost no knowledge of current events, let alone world news.... Sh*t, u dont even know how the Federal Govt works for christsakes.....

Go join a thread about planes or something and let the smart intelligent members discuss Bushs' lack of preparedness with HIS department directors...

evangilder · 09-10-2005, 09:12 AM

Yes, and the president does indeed have authority to override the local and state levels. He may not have to let them handle it, and only stepped in when he realized how inept they were. Typically, the local and state authorities do a fairly good job and then call for assistance from the feds. That happened here in 1994 when the Northridge earthquake struck.

The difference here though is that N.O. had 5 days warning that it was coming. Someone should have been monitoring the preparations and raised the flag when they saw that basically nothing was being done, except by people on their own. Over 500 ( FIVE HUNDRED) school buses were under water in New orleans! Those could have been used to evacuate those who had no means to get out beforehand. If they had been put into safer locations, they could have been used to get people out after the storm.

I also read yesterday that the Red Cross was trying to bring in water, cots, food supplies and clothing to the area before the storm and the Lousiana state homeland security turned them away! Guess where they were taking those supplies...the Superdome!

It was a **** up on all levels. Thank goodness for Les that the state authorities in Mississippi took over from FEMA the supply operations. FEMA this time around was a bureaucratic roadblock that stalled things and caused people to die.

If they don't fire Mike Brown, and send some people to jail for manslaughter through gross negligence, then it will happen again. Bad behavior should not be rewarded.

Sorry, I will step down from my soapbox now.

Nonskimmer · 09-10-2005, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by evangilder

Hey NS, you got room for some ex-patriots?

Anytime, bro!

trackend · 09-10-2005, 09:30 AM

I think you guys have every right to get mighty pissed off at the way things where handled I only saw it via news casts but the bloody third world country's like Bangladesh seem to be better organized than the mob you have attempting to run things at the moment as you say Eric with hundreds of vehicles available it should have been possible to move thousands to safer ground.
I heard Bush & some officials had flown over the area shame he didn't leave his arse back home and filled the aircraft with some supplies looking out of a window and going dear dear is not much f**king help if he wanted to know what it was like there phone up Les I'm sure he could explain it very graphically

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-10-2005, 11:31 AM

Actually P-38 Bush does have some blame in this. Yes Bush had no control over a storm however Bush and the rest of the federal government could have acted quicker in the relief of the disaster area. We were able to take the whole country of Iraq in 3 weeks and keep it supplied for over 2 years now. We were able to send help to Indonesia after the large Sunami in less than 24 hours. Yet it took our government 5 days to get a real plan together for New Orleans. Something is not right there and I think our government is to blame for it. Eneogh Said!

the lancaster kicks ass · 09-10-2005, 11:37 AM

what i don't get also, they had warning of it! it wasn't like it was a suprise! surely they could've got all the emergency preparations sorted before it came then move in as soon as it was over........

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-10-2005, 11:54 AM

That is where the government failed.

evangilder · 09-10-2005, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Actually P-38 Bush does have some blame in this. Yes Bush had no control over a storm however Bush and the rest of the federal government could have acted quicker in the relief of the disaster area. We were able to take the whole country of Iraq in 3 weeks and keep it supplied for over 2 years now. We were able to send help to Indonesia after the large Sunami in less than 24 hours. Yet it took our government 5 days to get a real plan together for New Orleans. Something is not right there and I think our government is to blame for it. Eneogh Said!

Well said, Adler. That's hitting the nail on the head.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 09-10-2005, 12:32 PM

Heads should roll for this one.

evangilder · 09-10-2005, 12:48 PM

P38 Pilot · 09-10-2005, 01:40 PM

Ok, ok. Every one relax and come down, or is it just me?

But really, does anyone know for real about the D-Day Museum? (Please no comment Les.) There was something on the news about but like i said i didnt get to see it.

lesofprimus · 09-10-2005, 02:06 PM

Answer

Subject: Re: New Orleans D-Day museum-Did it make it through the hurricane aftermath?
Answered By: justaskscott-ga on 07 Sep 2005 15:48 PDT

Hello jahost,

I believe that these reports are sufficiently definite to answer the question.

"National D-Day Museum, New Orleans, LA (as of 9-7). Richard Pyle with
the Associated Press reported that their New Orleans bureau sent a
reporter and photographer to the museum and found it intact and with
no apparent damage."

"Hurricane Katrina - First Reports" (last updated 9-7-05)
American Association of Museums
http://www.aam-us.org/aamlatest/news...rstReports.cfm

"D-Day Museum Condition: Received email from New Orleans Police
Officer that many paper documents are ruined or missing, but the
'heavy metal' on the ground floor is o.k."

"Katrina and the museums" [post by Brad Byers on September 7, 2005]
Cronaca
http://www.cronaca.com/archives/003775.html

So if even if it was looted (perhaps explaining some missing
documents), as stated on the blog cited by rainbow, these new reports
indicate that the museum is still essentially there.

- justaskscott
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Subject: Re: New Orleans D-Day museum-Did it make it through the hurricane aftermath?
From: rainbow-ga on 03 Sep 2005 07:12 PDT
Sadly...

New Orleans: Confederate Memorial Hall Update

"Sam Hood, who is a member of the board of directors of Confederate
Memorial Hall, sends us the following news: He has spoken to Mrs. Pat
Ricci, curator of the hall. She reports that as of yesterday (Aug. 31)
the museum is apparently not flooded.

A major concern remains security. His reports indicate that the
National D-Day museum directly across the street from the Confederate
Museum has been "gutted and trashed by looters."

Sadly, we are informed that the homes of every member of the Museum's
staff are under water. The entire staff is now homeless and will have
nothing to return to. Sam informed Mrs. Ricci of the efforts of all
the readers of this site to inform the Civil War community of their
plight and she has asked that all of you be thanked."

http://thepresentpast.blogspot.com/

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P38 Pilot · 09-10-2005, 04:24 PM

Thank god! Thanks for the news Les; thats going to make me sleep better tonight...

Glider · 09-10-2005, 05:02 PM

Its been reported here that the aid sent by the UK soon after the Hurricane hit ( 500,000 24hr ration packs) and those sent by the German Goverment are sitting undistributed because the Dept of Agriculture need to confirm that they meet USA regulations.
You wonder what else the goverment can do to get in the way. I would have thought that these self contained packs with their own little cookers etc would have been invaluble.

evangilder · 09-10-2005, 05:27 PM

They are, but like everything else the feds have done in this disaster, they ****-ed this up too. "Meet USA regulations"?? WTF? While I will admit that some of the English food I had while I was there was not always very tasty, at least it was edible! Can we fire every federal official involved in this thing and let the military handle it?

The leadership has been absolutely appalling!