Iraq To Insist On US Troop Withdrawal

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by Matt308

And that is really the key. Folks can argue that prevention of further mainland attacks was the the "reason" we went to war, but in actuality it was. We went to war to stabalize an area that is the engine for the world's economy...oil. I don't mind saying it. Because if that region EVER goes to hell and a handbasket where oil is disrupted...not just to the US, but to any of the world's major economies, the US economy will go to sh!t. And if folks think they are losing money in this mild recession, wait until some Asshat dictator shuts off energy to the Pacific Rim, China or India by making a stupid decision like... dropping a nuke on Isreal. Say goodbye to any retirement plans you might have.

You are correct. Many people want us out, but, believe me, we are only in the starting cycle of global oil competition and we WILL NOT be able to quickly substitute other sources of energy within decades. Those who think we can are foolish. The middle east contains over 50% of the world easy access oil. Iran wants to dominate entire area and is actively pursuing the atomic bomb. Syria would like one also. Arab terrorist would like nothing better than to see this area explode and cut off oil to the west. Remember, just the hint of uncertainly in this area will cause oil prices to go up. I believe that most of the thoughtful leaders in the west, including Obama, is starting to understand that 70 to 100k of the worlds best troops sitting between Syria and Iran and above Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc., is a good thing. I just can't believe that people think that we would be better off with that area in chaos.

I think the desire of Iraq for us to give date of removal is purely political. I don't think they would really like to be threatened by Iran.

[renrich]

Matt, well put and an accurate appraisal. It is remarkable how the news media has changed in the coverage of the Iraq situation and the dimocrat stance also. A year or so ago all one could hear from the mainstream media and the likes of pelosi and reid was the "war" was lost and we have to get out and Bush lied and his policies were a failure. Unfortunately we will have a hard time discovering whether the strategy of the Iraq adventure was or is successful because of how hard it is to prove a negative. Even if secret documents are revealed in the future showing that some terrorist event was thwarted by the Patriot Act or that terrorist efforts were diverted by the Iraq conflict it will be ignored by all but academics and the Bush administration will get little credit. Dav, IMO your appraisal is on the button.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by DBII

I'm I the only one confused by this?

DBII

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Was inevitable...

Probably for the best anyhow.

A Thank you note from Baghdad.


Dear America! Thank you so much for your help.... Now get the F*uck Out!



Some Allies....

[Bucksnort101]

Dear America! Thank you so much for your help.... Now get the F*uck Out!

Some Allies....

Don't think for a minute that any Mid-East Country (Government), save Isreal, are our Allies. They tolerate us, that's about it.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Bucksnort101

They tolerate us, that's about it.

Only when we sell them weapons and buy their oil.

[renrich]

There are many diplomatic goings ons that do not make the headlines that may bring about a new era of politics in the middle east. This new era could be as important and sudden as the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the disentegration of Soviet Russia. We could see, in the near future, agreements between Syria and Israel and a great lessening of tensions between Iran, Iraq and the rest of the world.

[freebird]

Originally Posted by Bucksnort101

Don't think for a minute that any Mid-East Country (Government), save Isreal, are our Allies. They tolerate us, that's about it.

I think you are right about that!!!!

Unfortunatly I think that the idea of a "free & democratic Iraq - an ally in the war" {on terror} is just like building a sand-castle - & the {Islamic} tide is coming in, to wash away all of your work....


By the way Ren, I hope I'm wrong about this & you are right. I will happly eat crow if I turn out to be incorrect, if I'm just being a pessimist.

{But I wouldn't bet my house on it}

[renrich]

FB, I hope your pessimism is unwarranted. I certainly can understand it. There is so much disinformation and misinformation and flat out lying which circulates both in the media and online, it is hard to know what to believe. Just an example: today I heard on the radio(fox news) that "Iran has tested a new missile capable of reaching Israel. This is calculated to show the world that Iran is capable of damaging Israel if they want to," or something to that effect. The first part of that is news but the rest is supposition on the writer's part which is his opinion and should not be in a newscast. What he said may be true but he has no way of knowing for sure. If he wanted to be accurate he could have said,"Iran today tested a new missile. Military experts believe the missile has the range to reach Israel!" We are bombarded by that sort of crap constantly and the public's mood and opinions are shaped by that. I wish there was some way to put a stop to it but "lots of luck."

[javlin]

Originally Posted by renrich

FB, I hope your pessimism is unwarranted. I certainly can understand it. There is so much disinformation and misinformation and flat out lying which circulates both in the media and online, it is hard to know what to believe. Just an example: today I heard on the radio(fox news) that "Iran has tested a new missile capable of reaching Israel. This is calculated to show the world that Iran is capable of damaging Israel if they want to," or something to that effect. The first part of that is news but the rest is supposition on the writer's part which is his opinion and should not be in a newscast. What he said may be true but he has no way of knowing for sure. If he wanted to be accurate he could have said,"Iran today tested a new missile. Military experts believe the missile has the range to reach Israel!" We are bombarded by that sort of crap constantly and the public's mood and opinions are shaped by that. I wish there was some way to put a stop to it but "lots of luck."

It was also stated in that same broadcast the missles could reach American ships hahahah Yea and we shoot them down.Hell the Israeli's already showed Syria how good there new missle defense system was they got from Russia.The Fox news report made it sound so much like a credible threat and my first action was laughter while driving and then "we shoot them out of the sky" and so would Israel.

[Erich]

if Israel was overall threatened we would see an immediate thumping of that little shrimp by the small state, it's just a matter of time really. The Iranian stooge wants to get popped so he can feel like he will have the life-blood to unify the Muslim nations against Israel

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by renrich

There are many diplomatic goings ons that do not make the headlines that may bring about a new era of politics in the middle east. This new era could be as important and sudden as the crumbling of the Berlin Wall and the disentegration of Soviet Russia. We could see, in the near future, agreements between Syria and Israel and a great lessening of tensions between Iran, Iraq and the rest of the world.

I hope your right.. it could go ether way ...

[freebird]

Originally Posted by javlin

It was also stated in that same broadcast the missles could reach American ships hahahah Yea and we shoot them down.Hell the Israeli's already showed Syria how good there new missle defense system was they got from Russia.The Fox news report made it sound so much like a credible threat and my first action was laughter while driving and then "we shoot them out of the sky" and so would Israel.

Remember the Patriot missiles that were sent to defend Israel? Some of the Scud's got through....

What is the effectivness of a Patriot? 70%? 80%? So if 5 millisles are launched at Tel Aviv only 1 will get through...


Anyways there is really no need for a missile. The Iranians pack their warheads by camel across Iraq & Syria {after their toadies in Iraq's Parliment boot out the US troops}. Then the nuke tipped rockets are fired into Israel from the West Bank.

[javlin]

Remember the Patriot missiles that were sent to defend Israel? Some of the Scud's got through....

What is the effectivness of a Patriot? 70%? 80%? So if 5 millisles are launched at Tel Aviv only 1 will get through

...

That was then and this is now, technology has come along since then.Now should they launch 10 or so(one target) yea you might have a point but right now I might gamble Iran does not have that many to launch on two fronts(U.S.N and Isarel).The point might change in 2-4 yrs though and the most critical word is TEST launch;can they hit anything yet??

[renrich]

Remember the report I quoted was on Fox radio, not FCN and I believe it was an AP report.

[Lucky13]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Only when we sell them weapons and buy their oil.

Imagine if we'd stop buying their oil...who else would buy, where would they get money....they'd travel backwards in many ways....