M.I.5/M.I.6/SAS - Aircraft of World War II

Maestro · 11-22-2005, 04:25 AM

Greetings ladies and gentlemen.

I'm lost with British Intelligence. Can someone help ? What's the difference between the M.I.5, the M.I.6 and the SAS ?

I know the M.I.5 is also called the "Home Office" and is in charge of intelligence (Military Intelligence bureau number 5), but what's the difference with the M.I.6 (if ever it really exist) ?

I read on an other thread that SAS also do Intelligence work. So what's the difference between those three Corps ?

102first_hussars · 11-22-2005, 04:32 AM

The SAS has nothing to do with those other guys, The SAS Special Air Service are elite airbourne comandos, whereas the others are intelligience
agency's.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-22-2005, 04:42 AM

Exactly. The SAS are like the Navy Seals or Special Forces of the United States and the GSG9 of Germany. Military Elite Special Operations Forces. MI6 is like the CIA from the United States.

Nonskimmer · 11-22-2005, 06:35 AM

As I understand it, MI5 is responsible for domestic security and counter-espionage while MI6 is the primary foreign intelligence service.

Anyone?

lesofprimus · 11-22-2005, 08:50 AM

That about sums it up, correctly...

Gnomey · 11-22-2005, 10:41 AM

Yeah that is how it goes NS.

trackend · 11-22-2005, 12:11 PM

After you mentioned the SAS I noticed at the top of the page a pop up online SAS course, I thought that must be why the Bravo two zero episode was such a **** up if The Regiment these days does its training online.
Fortunately it's not the same SAS but a stats course

the lancaster kicks ass · 11-22-2005, 01:08 PM

i would also like to point out at this point that the SAS are the world's most elite fighting unit

cheddar cheese · 11-22-2005, 03:42 PM

Other than the SBS, but thats another story

Maestro · 11-22-2005, 06:12 PM

Oh... Thanks for the help.

lesofprimus · 11-22-2005, 09:14 PM

Quote:

i would also like to point out at this point that the SAS are the world's most elite fighting unit

Quote:

Other than the SBS, but thats another story

I disagree.... I believe the Israeli Special Forces are probably the most elite, followed quite closely by the US Navy SEALs... The SAS, while extremely effective and highly trained, are not quite as elite as the first two...

Remember tho, the differences are quite miniscule... A normal everyday Joe like urselves would not be able to tell the difference.... Its all about the tempo at which certain services operate...

The Israelis, obviously, operate at a tempo that no other special services unit operate at...

The thing with Special Warfare types is that the longer and harder they serve, the better and more elite they are....

102first_hussars · 11-23-2005, 12:20 AM

I agree on certain aspects of what your saying but you really cant compare them, SF from around the world are usually brought up for a mainly specific purpose, SEALs gotta be Stealthy, SAS have to be quick and unforgiving(Same goes for Delta Force), JTF-2 well they take alot after SAS but we add a Canadian ingredient to it,

Isreal's army is specifacly designed for to handle its own problems with the PLO, so really how would those tactics play out on UN training in say Europe?, The point is they are different so its hard to compare.

cheddar cheese · 11-23-2005, 07:42 AM

I was forgetting about the Israeli's les, I remember you speaking of them a while back...

evangilder · 11-23-2005, 10:52 AM

I would agree with Les. The Israelis don't mess around, they can't afford to.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 11-23-2005, 06:21 PM

Im with Les on this also. The Isrealis take **** from no one and there SF have lots of training and are constantly on there toes. They are the most elite in my opinion also.

11-22-2005, 04:25 AM	#1
Maestro Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beaupré, Province of Québec, Canada Posts: 2,382	M.I.5/M.I.6/SAS Greetings ladies and gentlemen. I'm lost with British Intelligence. Can someone help ? What's the difference between the M.I.5, the M.I.6 and the SAS ? I know the M.I.5 is also called the "Home Office" and is in charge of intelligence (Military Intelligence bureau number 5), but what's the difference with the M.I.6 (if ever it really exist) ? I read on an other thread that SAS also do Intelligence work. So what's the difference between those three Corps ? __________________ Maestro http://www.yantremblay.com/

11-22-2005, 04:32 AM	#2
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	The SAS has nothing to do with those other guys, The SAS Special Air Service are elite airbourne comandos, whereas the others are intelligience agency's. __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

11-22-2005, 04:42 AM	#3
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Exactly. The SAS are like the Navy Seals or Special Forces of the United States and the GSG9 of Germany. Military Elite Special Operations Forces. MI6 is like the CIA from the United States. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

11-22-2005, 08:50 AM	#5
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,506	That about sums it up, correctly... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

11-22-2005, 10:41 AM	#6
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,224	Yeah that is how it goes NS. __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

11-22-2005, 06:35 AM	#4
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	As I understand it, MI5 is responsible for domestic security and counter-espionage while MI6 is the primary foreign intelligence service. Anyone?

11-22-2005, 12:11 PM	#7
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,029	After you mentioned the SAS I noticed at the top of the page a pop up online SAS course, I thought that must be why the Bravo two zero episode was such a **** up if The Regiment these days does its training online. Fortunately it's not the same SAS but a stats course

11-22-2005, 01:08 PM	#8
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	i would also like to point out at this point that the SAS are the world's most elite fighting unit __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

11-22-2005, 03:42 PM	#9
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Other than the SBS, but thats another story

11-22-2005, 06:12 PM	#10
Maestro Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beaupré, Province of Québec, Canada Posts: 2,382	Oh... Thanks for the help. __________________ Maestro http://www.yantremblay.com/

11-23-2005, 12:20 AM	#12
102first_hussars Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 2,259	I agree on certain aspects of what your saying but you really cant compare them, SF from around the world are usually brought up for a mainly specific purpose, SEALs gotta be Stealthy, SAS have to be quick and unforgiving(Same goes for Delta Force), JTF-2 well they take alot after SAS but we add a Canadian ingredient to it, Isreal's army is specifacly designed for to handle its own problems with the PLO, so really how would those tactics play out on UN training in say Europe?, The point is they are different so its hard to compare. __________________ Hello me...meet the real me. And my misfits way of life. A dark black past is my Most valued possession. Hindsight is always 20-20, But looking back its still a bit fuzzy. Speak of mutually assured destruction? Nice story...tell it to readers digest!!!

11-23-2005, 07:42 AM	#13
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I was forgetting about the Israeli's les, I remember you speaking of them a while back...

11-23-2005, 10:52 AM	#14
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	I would agree with Les. The Israelis don't mess around, they can't afford to. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

11-23-2005, 06:21 PM	#15
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Im with Les on this also. The Isrealis take ** from no one and there SF have lots of training and are constantly on there toes. They are the most elite in my opinion also. __________________ fly boy:**"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

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