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10-06-2008, 02:36 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | I was thinking more in the lines, if someone has tried to take you for b*m and sell you something that you spotted miles away as a fake....thanks for the reply anyhoo. 
Did they wear the same light colored uniforms in North Africa and Italy at times?
Great pics fellas!
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10-06-2008, 04:29 PM
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Country:  | Hi Erich. Thanks for the info about the arm band. It's something I didn't know about, and have often wondered what could happen to LW crew bailing out into an area of hostile civilians, if unable to identify themselves quickly; now i know!
Am I right in thinking the instrument is a navigation computer, similar to a R.A.F. navigator's 'Mercator rule'/protractor? When I was still flying (PPL) I used a modern-day equivalent.
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10-06-2008, 05:07 PM
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#18 | | the old Sage
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Country:  | Terry yes a flight navigational computer used by the Bördfunker in twin engines for recon, bomber work, night fighters etc.
cool eh
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10-06-2008, 05:18 PM
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#19 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Lucky13  I was thinking more in the lines, if someone has tried to take you for b*m and sell you something that you spotted miles away as a fake....thanks for the reply anyhoo.
Did they wear the same light colored uniforms in North Africa and Italy at times?
Great pics fellas! | Yeah I had a guy try and sell me a modern German Firefighters helmet (with everything removed and painted like an old stahlhelm) as if it were an old Stahlhelm.
You could tell the fake a mile away, especially since he built in modern US Kevlar webbing inside of it.
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10-06-2008, 09:57 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Nice Erich, and in good condition, by the look of it.
If I can contact a late friends' widow, she had the remains of a once VERY large collection of (his) Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht militaria, and would more than likely part with it now. Last I saw, the remainders were mainly badges, caps and some documents. Doubt if there's any uniforms or medals, and all the stalhelm went rapidly! I'll see what I can find out, but I haven't seen her since I moved house years ago.
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10-06-2008, 10:08 PM
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#21 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Erich another piece of LW equipment
you guys know what this is ? in fact I know of at least 1 LW ace-pilot who flys small single engine jobs who used to use his when he flew for Lufthansa as a commercial pilot
mine is a well used piece you can still find them from spot to spot mint almost un-issued
April 1941.............Anforderz. Fl 23825, Gerät Nr. 127 - 107 B
manufactured by Dennert and Pape, Hamburg-Altena | Erich - I believe this "wiz wheel" is similar to an E6B flight computer which is essentially a rotary slide rule. I can't make out the symbology on the top photo but the bottom photo appears to be a computer used for navigating on NDB/ADF - it seems to compute heading and bearing from the direction of the NDB signal.
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10-07-2008, 02:01 AM
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#22 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Erich - I believe this "wiz wheel" is similar to an E6B flight computer which is essentially a rotary slide rule. I can't make out the symbology on the top photo but the bottom photo appears to be a computer used for navigating on NDB/ADF - it seems to compute heading and bearing from the direction of the NDB signal. | I have one. They issued it to me back before we went to Iraq, and I was like "What the hell is this?!" They had to teach me how to use it. The old timers were looking at us all funny because us electronic and computer kids had no clue what it was!  Oh and more pics of uniforms and other stuff tonight...
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10-07-2008, 07:02 AM
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Country:  | damn fine set of pics Guys, thanks for sharing them! 
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10-07-2008, 10:40 AM
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#24 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | Adler, what steps do you take to ensure care of your cloth items? I can imagine that you would need to ensure they don't get infested with moths or are subject to dust or must be hung properly to avoid shelf wear. Any insight?
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10-07-2008, 11:56 AM
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#25 | | the old Sage
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terry
yes check with her I'd be interested to see what she still has Luftwaffe wise unless all gone
Joe yes you are on the mark as the center whole area rotates 360 either direction plus the faded-yellow center strip also moves used in direction flow by degrees
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a couple of German navy cap tallies with RK winner Klaus Feldts pic, the guy is over 90 years old and is still with us and received a great little package from himearlier this year. | |
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10-07-2008, 01:06 PM
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#26 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Matt308 Adler, what steps do you take to ensure care of your cloth items? I can imagine that you would need to ensure they don't get infested with moths or are subject to dust or must be hung properly to avoid shelf wear. Any insight? | I hang them on coat hangers that are broad, so as to protect the shoulder boards of each uniform. Then I put them in special coat bags just for that reason. Keeps the dust and the moths out. So far I have had no problems.
The hangers that you see my uniforms on in the pics so far, are not the normal hangers that I hang them on, but rather the hangers I recieved the uniforms with. I take pictures of everything as soon as I recieve it, and put it in an archive in case of theft or damage.
Cloth badges, flags and so forth are kept in plastic containers.
Erich are those cap tallies in your collection?
Okay here is the next set of pics from my collection. This is an NCO Parade Dress uniform of a Feldwebel (the aprox of a SGT or a British Warrant Officer). The blue piping designates that the NCO was in a Transport or Supply unit, and the cord is an unit adjutants cord. On the rank should board the button has a numerical 2 on it which designates 2nd. Regiment (not 100% if it is regiment and if it is a regiment, who the regiment belongs to I am not sure).   More to come...
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10-07-2008, 01:30 PM
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#27 | | the old Sage
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Country: | Chris yes they are, need to do up my K. Feldt frame work as the S. Boot 2 Flottille and the Tender Tanga is with it along with his signed pics, and letters and a couple of scanned images he signed.
I have another 6 tallies besides those shown already to be hung in a black frame with ocean grey backing. the collecting of the tallies is really an almost unheard of thing outside of Germany some collections in Deutschland are vast incorporating hundreds of named units
another beautiful uniform example ~ C ~
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10-07-2008, 01:31 PM
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#28 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | Jeez Adler, that's in beautiful condition. What kinda investment are we talking about for such an item. It looks pristine.
Also, in gun collecting there are standards used to grade firearms, are there similar standards that are universally adopted for clothing militaria?
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10-07-2008, 01:33 PM
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#29 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Erich Chris yes they are, need to do up my K. Feldt frame work as the S. Boot 2 Flottille and the Tender Tanga is with it along with his signed pics, and letters and a couple of scanned images he signed.
I have another 6 tallies besides those shown already to be hung in a black frame with ocean grey backing. the collecting of the tallies is really an almost unheard of thing outside of Germany some collections in Deutschland are vast incorporating hundreds of named units
another beautiful uniform example ~ C ~
E | Make me an offer on the Prinz Eugen one! 
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10-07-2008, 01:38 PM
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#30 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Matt308 Jeez Adler, that's in beautiful condition. What kinda investment are we talking about for such an item. It looks pristine.
Also, in gun collecting there are standards used to grade firearms, are there similar standards that are universally adopted for clothing militaria? | Um actually that particular uniform is not very expensive. It cost me about $500. Some are more expensive. The first uniform that I posted, I am not sure on the value. When I bought it 15 years ago, I paid $600. Today the FLAK badge alone is worth about $600. The whole uniform would probably go for about $1000 to $1500, but I am not sure anymore. It could go for more or less, but I do not think less. Of course it is not for sale though. My most expensive uniform is an SS tunic (pics coming later) that I could get about $2,500 to $3,000 (possibly as much as $4,500), fortunatly I did not pay for it as it was handed down to me.
None of my collection is for sale however. Someday I wish to open my own small non profit museum. Of course a uniform or artifact is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
There is pretty much a guide line that covers what something is worth though.
There are also standards used to grade unforms and artifacts, I will cover that later.
Okay more to come later, I have to head off and eat dinner and relax with the wife.
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