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05-15-2007, 10:35 PM
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Country:  | What about the battle scene between the planes? They didn't seem to use missiles but actually seemed to dog-fight between the F-14s and the MiG-28s. I don't know about you but I actually thought that modern combat was more likely to be long-range missile stuff rather than that close with the gun as more of an optional extra... This is in Top Gun. | 
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05-15-2007, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo  What about the battle scene between the planes? They didn't seem to use missiles but actually seemed to dog-fight between the F-14s and the MiG-28s. I don't know about you but I actually thought that modern combat was more likely to be long-range missile stuff rather than that close with the gun as more of an optional extra... This is in Top Gun. | I always thought that the Soviet air tactics were to hug the american pilots because they had long range missiles
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05-16-2007, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 What was inaccurate about the F14's? | F-5 Tigers being called Mig-28s which also never exsisted.
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05-16-2007, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by HealzDevo What about the battle scene between the planes? They didn't seem to use missiles but actually seemed to dog-fight between the F-14s and the MiG-28s. I don't know about you but I actually thought that modern combat was more likely to be long-range missile stuff rather than that close with the gun as more of an optional extra... This is in Top Gun. | Why do fighters including the F-14 have guns? So that they can use them in close combat. Just because it is unlikely does not mean it wont happen. There is nothing unrealistic about a modern fighter dogfight using cannons.
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05-16-2007, 08:45 AM
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Country:  | I believe it happened in the mid-80s gainst Libia. Old fashioned dogfight without missiles. Well, old fashioned because I think we shot them down in seconds but only with guns.
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05-16-2007, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet F-5 Tigers being called Mig-28s which also never exsisted. | So because the producers couldnt get Soviet fighters to use in the movie, it becomes inaccurate?
At least on the F5's they used the right color of red to use on the stars.
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05-16-2007, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet F-5 Tigers being called Mig-28s which also never exsisted. | I don't see that as inaccurate. That is a realistic production decision. The false MiG moniker describes the faux MiG. It's obvious that they had to use actual jets. Would you prefer that they call the F-5's MiG 25's?
What alternatives would you offer? Which aggressor aircraft would you rather see?
If the studios are confined to using actual aircraft I suppose the bad guys could be flying Cessna 210's!
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05-16-2007, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 So because the producers couldnt get Soviet fighters to use in the movie, it becomes inaccurate?
At least on the F5's they used the right color of red to use on the stars. | No dont make this into something bigger than it is just because you like argueing.
You asked what was innacurate. I answered you by saying that Mig-28s never existed and for the fictional jet they used F-5s.
I never said the movie was that innacurate...
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05-16-2007, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by comiso90 I don't see that as inaccurate. That is a realistic production decision. The false MiG moniker describes the faux MiG. It's obvious that they had to use actual jets. Would you prefer that they call the F-5's MiG 25's?
What alternatives would you offer? Which aggressor aircraft would you rather see?
If the studios are confined to using actual aircraft I suppose the bad guys could be flying Cessna 210's!
"Look out Goose, you have a Cessna on your tail!" | Read my post above to syscom...
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05-16-2007, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Read my post above to syscom... | Symantics on the "accuracy"
I've heard many people scoff at the same facts that u pointed out.
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05-16-2007, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Njaco I believe it happened in the mid-80s gainst Libia. Old fashioned dogfight without missiles. Well, old fashioned because I think we shot them down in seconds but only with guns. |
Not true. In both instances they were shot down with missiles. Two Su-22 Fitters hit with Sidewinders. And two MiG-23s hit with a Sparrow and the other with a Sidewinder.
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05-16-2007, 01:33 PM
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Country: | ok, my faulty memory. I thought that it was close-in combat. I'll stay away from the modern stuff. 
I don't mind them trying to get it right. "The Blue Max" used converted bi-planes to at least "look" like DVIIs and SE 5s. Its not easy getting ahold of the real thing for movies including the USA.
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Country: | Speaking of Russian aircraft and movies, was that a real Russian Helo and tank in the movie "The Beast" with George Dzunda and Jason patrick?
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05-16-2007, 02:32 PM
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