Muslims in Space: You Can't Hear Them Scream

[amrit]

Originally Posted by Erich

do not assume anything of what I said as being racist.

As I said in my first post, I don't believe that anyone was being racist, including you Erch .

let's give it a break shall we ? I hope now my point is clear. I did not come onto these forums some years ago to talk about a nation of people that has an adjenda whether anyone sees that as being truthful or not, I came on this forums to talk about a/c WW 2 and otherwise ............... I think we have all strayed

I'm the same - I joined because I liked the fact that the members here seemed "hardcore" and knowledgeable about aircraft. Actually what prompted my comments here was the (maybe spurious) link with the minor disagreement about the contributions of different countries to the air war - the whole "lumping everyone together" thing.

Right, I'm off to read my new book - the history of 600 Squadron

[Matt308]

Cheers, amrit.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by amrit

However, I do find it troublesome that some members' only comments on Islam seem to be in the negative.

You are correct, they should not be lumped into one and I try not to. I do however base my negative comments of them by living among them for a period of time.

[DOUGRD]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

You are correct, they should not be lumped into one and I try not to. I do however base my negative comments of them by living among them for a period of time.

Well it seems that I triggered quite an interesting discussion here when I used the term "Ragheads". If I may ,I would like to supplement my initial comment with the following. First of all, my reading comprehension was definitely flawed because the original article wasn't about Arabs at all but Malaysian muslims, quite a geographical difference.
DerAdler: you are right, they shouldn't be lumped into one group and I commend you for trying not to. But, as you said, you base you negativism on your experience. Experience is the best, though sometimes cruelest, teacher. Matt308: You need not take any blame for my comments. Your comment did not trigger my thought processes. I don't think there is any blame to be had anyway. DerAdler asked me not to use the term Raghead. I think that's fair enough. No big deal. Amrit: You made the comment" ...However, I do find it troublesome that some members only comments on Islam seem to be in the negative." You are absolutely right. Very much so especially here in the U.S. and for some pretty ugly reasons too. No, all muslims did not participate in 911 but one hell of a lot of them were dancing in the streets according to international TV including your own BBC (IF I remember correctly- If not then please pardon me) When the four US contractor security members were killed and their burned bodies were hung from that bridge I'm quite sure the folks standing around cheering were not all "fringe group" members. Nor were all the participants in Samolia "fringe group" members when they dragged the body of one of the aircrew from the downed helo (Blackhawk Down)through the streets. I'm sorry Amrit, as noble and honorable as it would be I will not be offering the olive branch to any muslims any time in the near future. Not to a bunch of hypocrites who would like us to be open minded to their beliefs and make concessions on their behalf in our counties but act like a pack of dogs when the opportunity for them to demonstrate religious tolerance is thrown back in our faces. One example I can think of is the incident where a man was almost beaten to death at a soccer match for wearing a shirt which had a cross on it which just coincidently happen to be the flag of his country. And this was in Europe correct? Not Syria or Iran? I apologize if I sound like some left wing militia member, I'm really not, matter of fact I don't even own a gun eventhough I did qualify as "Marksman" on the M-16 when I was in the Navy. I'm also a believer in the quote "I may not agree with what you are saying but I will fight to the death for your right to say it". Now I've said my piece and I bid you all a Good Night.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

DOUGRD its allright, no one is judging you or anything, certainly not me. I happen to agree with you. Just trying to do my j ob as a moderator and keep the peace among posters, before JOE BlOW IDIOT POSTER comes in here with his one and only post to start a bitch war among others.

The soccer incident you are talking about actually took place in Turkey when the Swiss team played Turkey there in the Euro qualifiers. Turkey can no longer play games for a certain amount of time in Turkey so they play there games now here in Germany with no fans in the stadiums. I personally would have disqualified Turkey from playing in the Euro Cup.

[Matt308]

I thought that the Turkey/soccer thing was a fake. I should have known better.

Here in the states, they are building places of worship and feet washing stations for those of the muslim faith. BS. If they did that for Jews, Christians, or Catholics the ACLU would be in an uproar and the atheists would be crawling out of the woodwork. We better nip this in the bud in a hurry or we are going to end up like France.

[DOUGRD]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

DOUGRD its allright, no one is judging you or anything, certainly not me. I happen to agree with you. Just trying to do my j ob as a moderator and keep the peace among posters, before JOE BlOW IDIOT POSTER comes in here with his one and only post to start a bitch war among others.

The soccer incident you are talking about actually took place in Turkey when the Swiss team played Turkey there in the Euro qualifiers. Turkey can no longer play games for a certain amount of time in Turkey so they play there games now here in Germany with no fans in the stadiums. I personally would have disqualified Turkey from playing in the Euro Cup.

DerAdler: As I said in my "essay", you asked me not to use the term "Raghead" and I think that was a fair request. No hard feelings on this side. And thanks for the clarification on the soccer incident. It sounds like turkey is the official European pariah for quite a while.

[DOUGRD]

Originally Posted by Matt308

I thought that the Turkey/soccer thing was a fake. I should have known better.

Here in the states, they are building places of worship and feet washing stations for those of the muslim faith. BS. If they did that for Jews, Christians, or Catholics the ACLU would be in an uproar and the atheists would be crawling out of the woodwork. We better nip this in the bud in a hurry or we are going to end up like France.

Hey Matt 308 do you get the impression (This is actually a question for everyone) that we as a country are bending over backwards to appease every Muslim who claims he was offended by something here in the USA? It's like the new national pasttime for the "politically correct" and other scum sucking bottom feeders. I have absolutely no problem with the Muslims building Mosques. After all this country was founded on the idea of religious freedom ,among others, and we'd be hypocrites just like them if we objected to it. (I may not agree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it! ...sort of idea). But the feet washing thing...aaahhh I don't dig that one. Unless I can use it too! Wouldn't that tick 'em off severely! Seriously though, I've heard of a lot of concessions being made because of Muslim whining. Just down the road at the Minneapolis airport the Muslim cab drivers (Samolis) started to refuse to take anyone in "their" cabs who had been drinking or had alcohol in their possession. So now there is a big Flail-Ex going on over that but I'm glad to see the cabbies are losing that round. But I've also heard of places of business having to provide them with an appropriate prayer room ( with the direction of Mecca accurately displayed). I quess I'm just getting tired of the liberals running around with their tails between their legs and trying to drag the rest of us along with them. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I believe any minority coming into the country should make an honest effort to assimilate into the main stream. Not to discard their traditions or heritage completely but to realize they are part of a whole that began long before they got here and that they have to blend in with us and not the other way around. Just like the Italians, Irish , Germans, Sweds, Russians, Polish, Japanese, Indians, etc...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I agree with that.

[Matt308]

Originally Posted by DOUGRD

Hey Matt 308 do you get the impression (This is actually a question for everyone) that we as a country are bending over backwards to appease every Muslim who claims he was offended by something here in the USA?

Yep. And I'm equally dis gusted. I think we need to put a moratorium on immigration for a generation or so. However, I think that there is some hidden social engineering at work and I am increasingly of the belief that it is related to a shortsighted attempt to fix Social Security and the need for increasing the percentage of workers vs. those who draw.

Who knows...

[DOUGRD]

Originally Posted by Matt308

Yep. And I'm equally dis gusted. I think we need to put a moratorium on immigration for a generation or so. However, I think that there is some hidden social engineering at work and I am increasingly of the belief that it is related to a shortsighted attempt to fix Social Security and the need for increasing the percentage of workers vs. those who draw.

Who knows...

OK Matt now you've started it. How's this for a theory? Let's do away with the middle class citizens. We'll have the aristocracy and the peasants. The aristocracy doesn't need Social Security and to give it to the peasants would be mere "chump change" because their entitlements would be very small based on their earnings. Social Security problem fades away. Consider these items of note, Major labor unions have lost all their bargaining power and the unions who could create the biggest inconvenience, the airlines and railroad unions can't wildcat strike and have to wait at least thirty days to call a strike IF the Arbitrator says they can and that can be squashed by the president and they can be ordered back to work. And it seems the Arbitrators always rule in the Companies favor on important issues.All because of the terms of the Railway Labor Act. That Presidential recall happened to the United Airlines pilots a few years ago. I think the truck drivers union in France has more bargaining power than any U.S. labor union. Another item of note...college tuition keeps climbing 12%-15% a year. Soon only the rich will be able to afford to send their kids to college. No college degree and you're doomed to a "Blue Collar" career. Blue collar, Oh sorry, but we 've shipped your job overseas. By the way that Home Loan we gave you a few years ago when we slackened up on the qualifications and let a whole bunch of you qualify when your credit really didn't merit it? Well the ARM mortgages are peaking this year and the forclosure rate in really climbing because the cost of living has gone up but your wages haven't kept pace. Sorry, I guess you'll have to move into an apartment again. But that's fine because the more serfs we can contain in one place the easier it will be to keep you under control. Medical coverage? Oh sorry but you don't earn squat so you don't qualify for quality healthcare with all the expensive tests and life saving procedures like the rich folks do. So you think you can manage do you, well quess what.. the Insurance industry didn't make enough BILLIONS last year because of Hurricane Katrina so we have to jack up your homeowners and auto insurance rates to make up the difference for those poor tycoons. OK I'll quit this jabbering but don't you just wonder sometimes? Vietnam, Gulf War I & II all the poor folk get to go while the riches like Clinton and Bush and Chaney got to stay home. Hmmm?? Yes sir, we can thin out the Middle and Lower Income population. Hmmmmm? ( No, I'm not a conspiracy nut or anything like that< I just connect some dots sometimes and wonder.) Well Good Night folks, my crib is calling me

[DOUGRD]

My God! Can I go on and on can't I? I didn't really see how long that last post was until I hit the submit button. AMRIT: You thought you had an essay!!!!!!!

[Clave]

If there was no religion then a lot of these issues would just vanish.

Just think how much better life would be without rules...

True freedom is in the mind, and I have achieved this by casting off the chains of 'belief' in favour of 'unbelief'... NOBODY tells me how to think, what to eat, how to dress, who to marry, or anything else.

I have probably said this before, but you can change who you are by thinking - It's simple...

[Njaco]

A comedian I heard one time said of all the books that should be banned from libraries because of their destructive influence, they should be the Bible and the Koran. He went on about all the wars and conflicts throughout history caused by them and ended with the Son of Sam killer who listened and talked to his dog and everyone knew he was dyslesic. (horrible spelling).

Some truth to it. But can anyone show me where a Christian goes to another country and demand concessions for Christian belief? To the point of violence?

[DOUGRD]

Originally Posted by Clave

If there was no religion then a lot of these issues would just vanish.

Just think how much better life would be without rules...
I have probably said this before, but you can change who you are by thinking - It's simple...

If there was no religion then a lot of these issues would just vanish?? No they wouldn't, they would just have a different name. Life without rules? So you're saying everyboby can just do whatever they feel like doing, whenever they feel like doing it or if they don't feel like it they don't have to do squat? You have your terminology slightly askew, it's not called "LIFE" it's called "CHAOS"