Ok guys, help me out here..

[slaterat]

I'd go with the Savage, I've got a .22 mk II with the acu trigger. A very nice and inexpensive gun. The classic has more craftsman like feel for more dollars though.

Slaterat

[Soren]

Went to the shop to today and tried them all out, and yes the accu trigger is very nice, but I like the triggers of them all really, so that wont be the deciding factor.

But I made a choice, the CZ 452 ZKM in .17 HMR is being made for me with a 3 - 12x scope with parallex adjustment, and it looks very nice. Will go zero'ing it in next thursday.

Matt made a good point about the heavy barrel, and I realized I was never going to be shooting that many rounds right after each as for that to become necessary. And so I went for the std. barrel, which is still good to transfer away heat when firing such a small caliber round.

[Matt308]

Excellent choice, Soren! You wont be disappointed with the CZ. What make of scope?

[Matt308]

Originally Posted by Soren

Now here's an idiot that doesn't understand what size animals the .17 HMR ballistic tip is meant for (Watch how he tries to break the neck of the one still alive - wtf is he doing ??):
YouTube - .17HMR Goose Shoot

Agreed. I'm not a hunter, but in the states I think that would be illegal as all hell. The neck twist is not out of the ordinary however. Where was that? Australia? New Zealand?

[Soren]

Originally Posted by Matt308

Excellent choice, Soren! You wont be disappointed with the CZ. What make of scope?

Thanks Matt, I pretty much went for it because with craftsmanship, looks and price combined it was the best available really.

As for which scope, it's either a Hawke or Tasco, can't remember. But it's 3 to 12x magnification and with parellaxe (Not parallex, Duh!) adjustment.

Next rifle on the list is yet another Karabiner 98k for the collection, as I recently talked to an attorney who suddenly mentioned he had one at home, so ofcourse expressing a lot of interest I was invited over to have a look at it and was then asked wether I wanted to buy it. And I must say, after having a look and seeing how fine a speciment this was I just couldn't refuse! (Damn pocket has a mind of its own! )

Agreed. I'm not a hunter, but in the states I think that would be illegal as all hell.

It's unnecessary pain forced upon the animals, and it's plain simple just not right. The ballistic tip is meant for game no larger than ground hogs. He should've used CCI's 20gr hollow point instead as it tears straight through bone.

The neck twist is not out of the ordinary however.

The way he did it is though. The best way to do it is to grap right below the head with your left hand and then quickly twist the head around with your right hand whilst at the same time pulling. Some also slap the head against a hard surface or object.

Where was that? Australia? New Zealand?

New Zealand, no doubt about it.

[Aussie1001]

Soren how are you ?
Firstly i own a BRNO (who are now CZ) and the rifle i have is an great piece of harware, nice and light and very accurate, since i live on a farm we often go rabbit shooting and for that sort of game it is perfect, but the range is rarly more than 50 feet. Have you considered a .22 hornet a mate owns one and from all accounts the are quite good.
reguards
Aussie 1001

[Soren]

Hi Aussie

I'm just fine, you ?

Yeah CZ used to be BRNO that's true. Glad to hear you have good experience with the brand, I'm really looking forward shooting mine on thursday

As for the .22 Hornet, I thought about it but the .17 HMR suits the role like a glove, so I went for it.

Interestingly I didn't research how much .22 Hornet ammunition costs (.17 HMR isn't exactly cheap)..

[Soren]

Btw, Aussie how does the landscape arround your farm look like ?

50 ft is pretty short range, unless it's in the bush ofcourse.

[Aussie1001]

I'm well thanks.
Well indiceindently today a couple of mates came over to sight their rifles in and we had a blast, they had a mk 4 SMLE, i tell you what their's nothing like the feel of a SMLE. They also had an old .310 cadet rifle bored out to a .357 magnum which was also a bit of fun.

[Aussie1001]

Soren we live on 3000 acres which is mainly flat, with a big mountain in the middle, although we can't just go loosing big bore rifles off anywhere as we have livestock on it. the place we go shooting bunnies is on a gentle slope which levels off to a flat plain, we go shooting in our 40's series landcrusier and it all works out pretty darn good.

the reason it's only 50 feet is because it's at night and the spotlight can't light up much beyond that, we also have to take cows into consideration and watch where we are firing, so far we havn't killed one so fingers crossed.

we also shoot ducks (but rarely) and we have quite a few large dams which they all flock around.

[Matt308]

3000 acres! Sounds like heaven.

[Soren]

Sounds very nice Aussie. Sure wish I had that much space to play around on!

I understand that you don't hunt during the day or in the morning ?

And yeah, the SMLE Mk.4 is a very nice rifle, esp. the very smooth action

[Aussie1001]

no, we only hunt during the night as that is when most of the game in our area comes out i.e. Dingoes and rabbits.

[Soren]

Dingoes & Rabbits are out in the early morning as-well. Don't want to get up that early Aussie ??

[Bucksnort101]

I think the .17 will suit you well, but wind dows affect that tiny little bullet more that you think. Did some shooting in windy conditional and the bullet was pushed of it mark by several inches. The heavier .17 bullet faired a bit better that the lighter ones though.
As far as which rifle, I owned a Savage .17, great little rifle for the price, but make sure you buy it in person and have several to choose from as the trigger pull and smoothness varies drastically from on rifle to the next. All have a pretty hefty trigger pull. I picked the one with the least creep and brought it to the gunsmith to have it smoothed out and lightened a bit . There are some drop in triggers for the Savage line out there, but they can get a little spendy as well.
Read good things about the CZ Rifles as well, but I cannot find any locally, plus I am a lefty and like to have a lefty rifle for hunting.