PRAYER

Nonskimmer · 04-21-2005, 08:51 PM

As I said, when it comes to the church as an institution I couldn't care less. In many ways, I feel the same way you do Maestro. I hardly feel that I need men in robes (and women, in several denominations of Christianity) preaching their particular interpretations to me, from a book that was written by men. Too many sects of the church seem all too eager to exploit the faithful for personal gain, in my opinion. Can it be possible to simply buy forgiveness with a large donation and several Hail Marys? I wonder.

However, I do like to believe in a higher being and an afterlife of some sort.

Maestro · 04-22-2005, 09:21 AM

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However, I do like to believe in a higher being and an afterlife of some sort.

It's your right and I respect it.

But as I was saying, who needs a pedophile (there is facts to proove that most of Catholic priests are) in robe to tell him what he have to do ?

All that wants religious institutions is to crush other religions, what ever it is, and rule the world. Christianity, Muslism, Buddism... All the same to me.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-22-2005, 10:10 AM

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Now whos read the De Vinci Code.... bloody good read ....

Very good book, great eye opener!

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As I said, when it comes to the church as an institution I couldn't care less. In many ways, I feel the same way you do Maestro. I hardly feel that I need men in robes (and women, in several denominations of Christianity) preaching their particular interpretations to me, from a book that was written by men.

And this I agree with. I believe in god but I do not believe that you have to go to a church to believe in a god. In my opinion god is in you and all around you not in the walls inwhich you worship. I too do not need a book or some man in robe, especially catholic priests or southern baptists that think you can do nothing but read the "good book" and give money to the church. Personally I think the Vatican is nothing more than a Mafia, getting more and more rich. But I do believe in a god.

Medvedya · 04-22-2005, 01:54 PM

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or southern baptists that think you can do nothing but read the "good book" and give money to the church.

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Maestro · 04-22-2005, 02:35 PM

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Personally I think the Vatican is nothing more than a Mafia, getting more and more rich. But I do believe in a god.

Heh... Well, one of my work comrade had a friend who was priest. The priest let all down when he came back from a trip in the Vatican. Apparently the Vatican use the Religion as a commerce.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-24-2005, 12:40 PM

That they do. The Vatican tries to control what the world learns and knows about religion and only wants the world to know what it wants them to know. Another good eye opening movie is Stigmata, it really gets you going. I truely believe people die because they find too much out and what not.

Maestro · 04-24-2005, 12:58 PM

Yeah, just like the Mafia...

- If you get too much curious, I'll break your legs.

- If you tell something to someone, you'll make acquaintance with my buddy "Beretta" and his 15 little 9 mm friends.

- If you go see the police, you'll end deep into the river.

Hmmm... I think I watch too much movies...

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-24-2005, 01:04 PM

Same here.

Concorde247 · 04-24-2005, 03:39 PM

Im not a religious person. I dont believe in god or a supreme being. and I dont criticise anyone who does. what i dont like are the religious zealots (of whatever denomination) who believe that their religion is the one true faith, and try to force it on those who dont believe in the same way that they do, through violence or political/business methods.

Pope John Paul was a great humanitarian, who will be missed.

Crippen · 04-24-2005, 05:56 PM

Well said hon.

Maestro · 04-25-2005, 01:27 AM

Agreed.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 04-25-2005, 02:30 AM

Will agree to that.

Concorde247 · 04-25-2005, 09:40 AM

Thanks folks, I'll get off my soapbox now!!

evangilder · 04-25-2005, 10:03 AM

While I do applaud JPII for his championship for peace, I do find it rather disturbing about what happened here in the states with regards to the pedophile priests. The big problem is the Boston cardinal who was very involved in just moving them from parish to parish to keep the scandal from getting too big, was promoted and moved to Rome. They seemed to care more about the church image than the poor victims.

Maestro · 04-25-2005, 05:21 PM

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While I do applaud JPII for his championship for peace, I do find it rather disturbing about what happened here in the states with regards to the pedophile priests. The big problem is the Boston cardinal who was very involved in just moving them from parish to parish to keep the scandal from getting too big, was promoted and moved to Rome. They seemed to care more about the church image than the poor victims.

In fact, they DO care more about the church image than the victims. It's well known in the Province I live : 90% of priest are pedophiles. We got a lot of scandals about pedophile priest here.

I can remember of the priest Vadeboncoeur (he got the right name for the job, eh ?) who was caught here but, rather than facing justice, he was transfered in France where he got caught again with kids.

Interresting statistics : in the normal society, there is 10% of gays. But it is prooved that the percentage of gays is higher with priest than in the normal society. That explain a lot of things.

... Like the bunch of priests who were caught by the police in an orgy many years ago. I think it was in Germany or in Austria.