Proud to be British?

[102first_hussars]

Originally Posted by Nonskimmer

Ah, but more importantly...they have me.

Ha!!!!! of course you probably checked your shoulder to see If I was around before you said that didnt you?

[Udet]

My mother, aunts, cousins and uncles have also issued complaints similar to those of Plan_D; in somewhat milder terms though. I´ve seen it happening as well.

I agree the conduct of a real large number of young people in the so-called First World is simply deranging. Add both legal and illegal immigration and the soup can really begin tasting nasty.

(For example, while staying here I have had the chance of seeing these real large group of people known as "spring-breakers" as they flood most mexican beaches; i am sure many parents from the U.S.A. would die immediately of a heart attack if they could see what their progenie do when they are not home.)


The vast majority of all First World nations -if not all of them- are certainly going through similar processes. (i.e. The USA and the tide of illegal immigrants from Mexico, central and south america; Australia; the European Union, etc.)


Now, Europe. Poor Europe.

I have serious doubts regarding the future of Europe. Although I do not use superlative terms to describe cities or nations, i do not believe neither in heaven nor hell when it comes to life conditions offered by any community, village, town, city or country. Mexico City offers me good things I will never find in Moscow, and viceversa.

Still, there is this possibility that the future of Europe could be somewhat blacker than apparently perceived by most people.

See, most people from the USA, Canada and western Europe, for instance, might perceive Mexico as hell on earth: poverty, utter corruption, crime, impunity, dirty cities...blah, blah, blah...but you know something? The people in this country enjoy a level of freedom the people of USA and, say, France or Germany can not even dream of.

No wonder i´ve been meeting a massive number of russian kids my age arriving in Mexico to stay (many of them after having had a taste of the real "American Dream").

Wildact is very correct in his comment: there are no perfect places; each of them having problems of differents kinds and for different causes.


(I believe there are paradises on earth though; they, however, cease to be paradises immediately after the first group of human beings arrive and decide to settle there. A paradise just got thrashed.)

Where there are human beings there are no paradises.


Now, back to the future Europe...there is this particular fact that I find totally amusing when I am in Europe:

Hearing and watching Germans complaining and issuing racist insults against Turks and other immigrants (those with brown skin or asian eyes).

How come this particular behavior is amusing? Simple, when you know of birth rates among "original Germans". See statistics. All you can do is laugh hard, real hard.

What have those "white Germans" -the pure ones- done in that particular department to help their nation? The response -which includes the majority of Germans-: NOTHING. ZERO. NULL.

So when they complain about their cities being flooded with immigrants all one can do is to laugh and laugh, real hard.ç

Utterly simple: nations require people in order to function as such. The state, a sovereign state, has duties to fulfill: internal security, social security, highways, judicial system, etc, etc. So, if the "locals" refuse to have children, then guess what clovis? People from elsewhere must be brought, and the possibility of these people having different religions, traditions, tastes and cultural backgrounds is real high if not the rule.

If a percentage of the population -a very significant one- refuses to reproduce themselves in such a manner the demographics of your nation will unavoidably get hit, then the government of your nation has critical issues to deal with.

I have had the chance of staying in Germany for a few months three or four times during my life. The majority of the German grown ups are a massive herd of loners...boring, depressing, unhappy people on this planet.

A large number of German men and women (those "original" Germans, the ones with white skin) simply REFUSED to have any children. The sole idea of raising a family has been rejected there. For whatever reason. Period.

A very similar thing is happening in Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia, Belgium and France; also the spanish people are following a very similar path. (Funny to know of the Belgians angry at knowing the most common name for 3 consecutive years in the Register Office is precisely "Muhammad".)

So what can one think of a people, the people of a nation, that have simply REFUSED to reproduce themselves and continue being the people they are allegedly proud of being?

Is there a future for a people that reject the idea of reproducing themselves?

Who knows...probably yes, probably not; time will tell for sure.

[Tiger]

Udet, that was a good post!

I think the problem in the UK lies with the parents. If the kids get detention the parents don't say like they would have 40 years ago "What have you been doing in school!!! Trouble again, wait til your father gets home he'll give you a good hiding!!!"

They say "How dare you put my child in detention!!! I'm going to sue the school!!!" or they'll threaten the teacher.

[Clave]

Now that the rich, mentally-deficient former fox-hunters have been deprived of their 'sport' I propose Chav Hunting. This could be a weekly televised event with Chavs released into the wild for the occasion, and allowed a half-hour head start.

To provide a balanced spectacle The Chavs would be allowed nets and spears, while the Chav Hunters or 'Chunters' as I like to call them would be on horseback, armed with sabres.

This means that if the Chavs co-operate with each other they will stand a chance, otherwise, not much hope...

Of course this is in the preliminary stages, but one day it will be an Olympic event...

[plan_D]

**** that ****. We should set up business ... people pay £200 ... we give them a weapon, they go out killing chavs and for every chav head they bring back we give them £50 ... we either make money, or they make money but we lose the chavs. Win-win .

[Maestro]

Clave, why do I have this image in mind after reading your post ?

[Delusional]

While I haven't had the kind of real-world experience that gives you guys these opinions, I do know that members of every generation complain about "those crazy, disrespectful youngsters." During every era in history, there has been some group of people saying that the world is going to hell and that children don't behave anymore. Looking back, it always seems like the world was perfect and good and beautiful, but the people who lived then had just as many complaints as we do now. No place, no time, no era is perfect. Given a few years of hindsight, it's never so bad as anyone thinks.

[Nonskimmer]

Well all I know is, I wasn't mugging old folks with my "crew" and driving stolen cars into the sides of schools just for kicks when I was 15.

[pbfoot]

what about that time honoured tradition of broom the "c**n

[Nonskimmer]

Not me. My uncles did though. Dad denies it of course.

[mfg]

Originally Posted by Tiger

Udet, that was a good post!

I think the problem in the UK lies with the parents. If the kids get detention the parents don't say like they would have 40 years ago "What have you been doing in school!!! Trouble again, wait til your father gets home he'll give you a good hiding!!!"

They say "How dare you put my child in detention!!! I'm going to sue the school!!!" or they'll threaten the teacher.

You hit the nail on the head, the parents, when I was a young lad, many moons again, my god my father and mother kept both my brother and myself under control. I once got in a fight at school and my mother demanded that I got detention. Thanks mum...........

Ok lets go another way, bring back Miliatry Conscription, get the Xbox generation off their fat posteriors and enter back into reality!
Instill discipline and respect back into a generation that has no clue for any values, let alone the few basic ones!

The next question is who will pay for it. Well, a good part of the kids today are not working but living off handout from the state, so the handouts from the state could be channelled into the military to off set the costs.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I have to disagree with you post Udet. You make it seem a lot worse than it is. The German people complain about the Turks not because of the reasons you state but because of what they do in Germany. They are the equivilent of the illegal free loaders who come to the United States from south of its border. They are costing Germany so much money and they raise the crime rate and have no desire to obey the laws of Germany.

You say you know all of this because you have visited Germany for 4 months or so, well I have lived in Germany for over 20 years and I am telling you that you are wrong.

[Udet]

Der Adler:

You are not going to deny the fact the majority of the present-day Germans are a real large gang of bitter, boring, depressed, unhappy loners are you?

The majority of them are so bitter than whenever they make an attempt to smile, the expression on their faces looks rather like scowls.

And furthermore, you are not going to deny the fact birth rates among "white Germans" are extremely -critically- low are you?

You are right when you affirm many Germans complain about the things Turks do in Germany, but at the same time what I am saying is 100% true, and I have seen it, MANY Germans complain and get angry at seeing their nation getting "overcomed" by that "tide" of non-Germanic, or non-European people.

So that´s it DerAdler, a huge number of Germans decided to carry on with lonely lives, no marriage; kids? the sole possibility has been overruled. So when they complain about the "flood" of non-europeans taking over is precisely when the thing becomes funny.

You might have lived 20 or more years there, but 2 of my greatest friends are Germans, one in Frankfurt, the other in Berlin, and they keep my updated of what happens in Germany.

And this happens in France, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden (some of the most unpleasant people you can ever come across: depressed and boring) and the rest of Scandinavia.

My idea is that the future of Europe might be in fact darker than most people apparently think of. In view of the present circumstances i believe it´s a possibility.

This comments of course can lead to other fields of dicussion: spending a day with the peoples of the so-called "third world" can sometimes be more spiritually rewarding -when you see those huge smiles on their faces and all that energy in display; i´ve seen it here in Mexico and in Brazil- than being in "first world" Stockholm watching a line of acrid swedes at the bus stop.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes Udet I am going to say 100% that you are wrong and dont know what you are talking about.

Lets see here you go:

Originally Posted by Udet

You are not going to deny the fact the majority of the present-day Germans are a real large gang of bitter, boring, depressed, unhappy loners are you?

100% wrong. Again what you hear from people does not make you an expert on the matter. I dont know a single German who is bitter, boring, depressed, and unhappy loners. I think I know a hell of a lot more Germans than you do. Hell I think I know myself better than you do. I know my family and my wifes family better than you do and I have more than 2 German friends.

Yes there are people that fit that catagory that you are describing, but not the vast majority. Where do you get this? From your 2 friends, sounds to me like they are neo nazis and frankly my friend they are a great minority in this country. But then again you probably have heard from people differently which makes you correct. Am I correct?

Originally Posted by Udet

The majority of them are so bitter than whenever they make an attempt to smile, the expression on their faces looks rather like a scowl.

I really dont know where you get this from, sorry that is just dumb and incorrect.

Originally Posted by Udet

And furthermore, you are not going to deny the fact birth rates among "white Germans" are extremely -critically- low are you?

Yes Udet you are correct it is low, however that is not because they are loners and depressed and what not. You assumptions are completely wrong. Just because you talk to 2 people does not make you an expert on the matter.

Originally Posted by Udet

And furthermore, you are not going to deny the fact birth rates among "white Germans" are extremely -critically- low are you?

Yes you are correct in that matter, but you would not understand, because you do not see what happens on a day to day basis here.

Originally Posted by Udet

So that´s it DerAdler, a huge number of Germans decided to carry on with lonely lives, no marriage; kids?

Do you know how expensive it is to live here in Germany, Udet? I really dont think so. People do not have children in Germany until about the average age of 35 when they have settled in and made a living for themselves. They do not start families at the age of 18 like they do in some countries because they are responsible about it. It is not because of you really unknowledgable ideas about it.

Originally Posted by Udet

You might have lived 20 or more years there, but 2 of my greatest friends are Germans, one in Frankfurt, the other in Berlin, and they keep my updated of what happens in Germany.

Your point being, I think I still know more about what goes on in this country being the fact that I have lived here for the majority of my life and am currently in the country. Sorry Udet but you can not tell me how it is here in Germany when I live it, and you dont.

[Twitch]

Udet- what colonia you live in in D.F.? What exact level of freedom does Mexico have over the US and European countries? This is not an arguementative querry. I am curious why you believe that. Is this personal or political freedom or something else?