Racisim

DOUGRD · 09-10-2007, 10:11 PM

Hey ccheese! Remember when Jesse Jackson went overseas back in the 70's or early 80's to "negotiate" the release of that Black flyer. Was that in Lebanon? If it had been a white pilot where would old Jesse have been. I know where, sitting on his ass watching it all on CNN. Right?

Aussie1001 · 09-12-2007, 05:39 PM

Thanks for your input guys i tend to agree with pretty much everyone here.
we have the same problem here with our native people the Aboriginals, everytime something bad for them happens they play the racisim card and the Shi+ hits the fan. I believe that blacks should be equal in society at the moment they seem to be above us........

rogthedodge · 09-12-2007, 05:45 PM

As above it's a tricky one.

I try to give everyone a chance, I hate & like people irrespective of their colour or race but sometimes it IS hard to give everyone and equal chance to prove they're a **** or not.

Firmly believe you should try to integrate when you immigrate but when you see Brits living in spain or france and not speaking the lingo / mixing you realise it's not just immigrants but emmigrants that struggle with this too.

Been on the end of Asian (Pakistani) racism here too. I was seeing this girl ..... anyway I ended up having to recruit mates of mates who were white racists to protect me and my coloured g/f from her Pakistani family - it's a wierd world!

rogthedodge · 09-12-2007, 05:54 PM

Wow that Aboriginal thing freaked me out.

I went out there few years back thinking it was just a colour thing like Europe and given a chance they would integrate into your society.

However I came away thinking they were at a very different stage of development and that for their own sake the only solution was a form of apartheidt (separate development). Appreciate this could read as extreme but it's a unique issue in my experience.

Honestly I don't think the European / US experience (& 'solutions') with racism really apply where the Aboriginals are concerned.

Not a problem I'd want to have to deal with

Aussie1001 · 09-12-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rogthedodge

IBeen on the end of Asian (Pakistani) racism here too. I was seeing this girl ..... anyway I ended up having to recruit mates of mates who were white racists to protect me and my coloured g/f from her Pakistani family - it's a wierd world!

Dam....

Just recently in australia our prime minister sent the police and army into regional australia to patrol Aboriginal communities in light of increased amouts of rape and violence....
Police will make sure that there is no booze in the community and will try and keep the peace. This made the Natives go apeshit..... but the prime minister ingnored them and still sent the police and army in.....

machine shop tom · 09-12-2007, 09:36 PM

In another forum I frequent there is a fella that is VERY anti-Jewish and denigrates blacks at every opportunity. Of course, he denies that he is racist or bigoted................

trackend · 09-12-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rogthedodge

As above it's a tricky one.

Firmly believe you should try to integrate when you immigrate but when you see Brits living in spain or france and not speaking the lingo / mixing you realise it's not just immigrants but emmigrants that struggle with this too.

I agree If one thing that annoys me it's people who go to another country then running it down with the classic " back home they woudnt do this that or the other"
Australia seems to be full of ex pats on about the mother country, they should sod off back to the mother country.
When I go to other countries I respect their laws way of life ect.
If I was'nt prepared to do this I wouldn't go in the first place.

I love the diversity of different cultures no harm in retaining your traditions but once you sign on the dotted line the country you choose is your home and it's very wrong to try and turn it into a little outpost of where you came from.
If I emmigrated to say the Canada (and before you all say it I know they would not want an old twit like me even if I wanted to go) then my loyalty would be there 100% no if's but's or and's my past would be just that the past.

Konigstiger205 · 09-13-2007, 03:32 AM

I agree...keep your culture but keep it to yourself...

Clave · 09-13-2007, 05:15 AM

If I was out late and a group of black kids was coming down the street, I would cross the road to avoid them. On the same track, if a group of white kids was coming towards me, I would avoid them too...

Most of Racism is fear of the unknown. And when you sit right down and think about that, it is completely rational and primal too - we have always survived in the past by being wary and suspicious of the unknown...

On the flip side, treating someone badly on the trivial basis that their skin is a different colour is ludicrous! It makes no more sense than picking on people who have green eyes...

The two closest people two me in this office are Black. And there is the terminology that makes the whole thing fall down - Neither of them is actually black in colour, nobody is, the same way that nobody is white. The girl (Half Jamaican/Half Guyanese) is a lovely coffee-with-milk colour, light brown is NOT black. The guy (Bangladeshi) is slightly darker, but again a long way from black.

This is what I have trouble with, because I know if I took a 2 month holiday in say, Australia, I would be damn close in colour to both of them - Would I then be 'Black' and why should I be 'White' now? I would say that I am 'pink' or 'beige' as the only really white people are Albinos...

The more you think about it, the more ridiculous it seems...

And the more I think about Halle Berry, the better an 'International Mix Pot Colour' seems - White is too pale, Black is too dark, let everyone be Light Brown!

Graeme · 09-13-2007, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Clave

I know if I took a 2 month holiday in say, Australia, I would be damn close in colour to both of them

Clave, If your two month holiday was in central Australia, you would discover that the 'true' Aboriginal is as black as the ace of spades.

Clave · 09-13-2007, 05:53 AM

You could be right there - I'd probably die anyway - I don't fare well in the heat...

plan_D · 09-13-2007, 06:52 AM

I don't hate any race; I just hate races that come over to my country and try to dictate my culture.

By the way, the whole slavery apologies should be spit upon. This is for my American friends, do any of you know the real reason the United States Navy was created?

rogthedodge · 09-13-2007, 07:47 AM

Sure many of you will have seen that film 'USMC medics in Vietnam' where they're treating battlefield injuries - the one with the bullethead/eyeball moment!!

Anyway in that they're salving a black us soldier who's been caught with napalm The black, top skin layer is coming away and it's only microns thick.

That struck me at the time (and since) as important - the colour difference is a matter of an ounce or two of the top most layer of skin ie it's the thin end of b*****r-all.

There's much more physical difference between those with long hair and those with short.

mkloby · 09-13-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by plan_D

I don't hate any race; I just hate races that come over to my country and try to dictate my culture.

By the way, the whole slavery apologies should be spit upon. This is for my American friends, do any of you know the real reason the United States Navy was created?

What is this "real" reason? Although the USN traces its roots back to the Continental Navy, the US Constitution gave Congress the power to provide and maintain a navy. Several years later six frigates were built. Original missions included protection of the merchant fleet, and conflicts were had with the French and notably the Barbary pirate problem - which culminated in the Barbary War and the US Marines heading off "to the shores of Tripoli."

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Originally Posted by Clave

If I was out late and a group of black kids was coming down the street, I would cross the road to avoid them. On the same track, if a group of white kids was coming towards me, I would avoid them too...

Most of Racism is fear of the unknown. And when you sit right down and think about that, it is completely rational and primal too - we have always survived in the past by being wary and suspicious of the unknown...

On the flip side, treating someone badly on the trivial basis that their skin is a different colour is ludicrous! It makes no more sense than picking on people who have green eyes...

The two closest people two me in this office are Black. And there is the terminology that makes the whole thing fall down - Neither of them is actually black in colour, nobody is, the same way that nobody is white. The girl (Half Jamaican/Half Guyanese) is a lovely coffee-with-milk colour, light brown is NOT black. The guy (Bangladeshi) is slightly darker, but again a long way from black.

This is what I have trouble with, because I know if I took a 2 month holiday in say, Australia, I would be damn close in colour to both of them - Would I then be 'Black' and why should I be 'White' now? I would say that I am 'pink' or 'beige' as the only really white people are Albinos...

The more you think about it, the more ridiculous it seems...

And the more I think about Halle Berry, the better an 'International Mix Pot Colour' seems - White is too pale, Black is too dark, let everyone be Light Brown!

Clave - in your example above (fear of the unkown), that ties more into prejudice, not racism. All human beings are prejudiced, and it's perfectly natural. Prejudice is simply a preconceived opinion, whether favorable or unfavorable. Without any knowledge or facts to go on, all one has is their prejudice, which is often heavily influenced by personal experience. In the past several decades the word "prejudice" has been transformed into a hostile and negative word - and is often never used in the favorable sense. It also has been tied almost exclusively to race, and the word is often substituted for "racism."

I don't see why you have a problem with the terms white, black, yellow, etc. It's just a long established method not of actually describing skin color tone, but of labeling the part of the world that genetic roots trace back to.

mkloby · 09-13-2007, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rogthedodge

Sure many of you will have seen that film 'USMC medics in Vietnam' where they're treating battlefield injuries - the one with the bullethead/eyeball moment!!

Anyway in that they're salving a black us soldier who's been caught with napalm The black, top skin layer is coming away and it's only microns thick.

That struck me at the time (and since) as important - the colour difference is a matter of an ounce or two of the top most layer of skin ie it's the thin end of b*****r-all.

There's much more physical difference between those with long hair and those with short.

Just to clarify - USMC "medics" are actually USN corpsmen. Who made this film anyway?