Small Aircraft Crashes Into New York City High-Rise Building - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

FLYBOYJ · 10-12-2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkloby

Just to let everybody know - passed my Primary instrument check ride. Have my last flight in the T-34C tonight. Kinda sad...

VERY VERY COOL!!!!

Matt308 · 10-12-2006, 03:39 PM

here ya go Lanc

pbfoot · 10-12-2006, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkloby

Just to let everybody know - passed my Primary instrument check ride. Have my last flight in the T-34C tonight. Kinda sad...

congrats thats a tough course I'm going to assume probably one of the hardest

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-13-2006, 03:47 AM

Congrats man!

Dazed · 10-14-2006, 01:20 PM

Congrats!

evangilder · 10-14-2006, 05:41 PM

Good job, Marine.

Propwash · 10-14-2006, 11:46 PM

Way to go!

FLYBOYJ · 10-15-2006, 10:33 AM

BTW - I read on Friday, the FAA closed the VFR corridor along the East River. They only allow helicopters and a small seaplane operator to go in there without calling ATC.

evangilder · 10-17-2006, 10:52 PM

From what I have heard, that coridor had a lot of helos in there anyway. Looks pretty narrow and not a place for a novice. I heard on the radio that there were experienced pilots that would fly there.

FLYBOYJ · 10-18-2006, 06:13 AM

Yep - correct! Not a place for a novice pilot or anyone not familiar with the area. Flying there on a day with falling visibility was just plain stupid.

FLYBOYJ · 10-23-2006, 11:42 AM

Here's some more!!!!

Mayor Daley - A GENUINE IDIOT

He's just as arrogant and ignorant as his father. As a result of the the light plane crash in NYC he is once again politicking General Aviation, terrorism and what he did to Meigs Field. Here is a letter to him from Phil Boyer, President of the Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association...

Enough is enough

BY PHIL BOYER

Mayor Daley's latest rants have sent me over the edge. He used the accident in New York to once again demand a no-fly zone over downtown Chicago for general aviation aircraft.

It was expected, of course. He has an irrational hatred for piston-engine aircraft, as evidenced by his illogical tirade this week. "They should not jeopardize, through intentionally or by accident, a single- or two-engine plane flying over our city [sic]," the Meigs Field destroyer exploded at a press conference. (I don't think he was including Boeing 737s, 757s, and 767s in his list of twin-engine aircraft.) "Remember: a single- or two-engine plane can kill as many people as possible if they want to."

And if it were just Daley, I'd ignore his ravings, just as the folks in the federal government in charge of security and airspace do.

But it's not just him. Other politicians (with the spectacular and notable exception of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg) and self-appointed "experts" are jumping on the tragic accident — repeat, accident — in New York to sound off again about the "danger" of light aircraft, and how they must be regulated, restricted, banned.

OK, for all of those ranting about "threats" from GA aircraft, we'll believe that you're really serious about controlling "threats" when you call for:
Banning all vans within cities. A small panel van was used in the first World Trade Center attack. The bomb, which weighed 1,500 pounds, killed six and injured 1,042.
Banning all box trucks from cities. Timothy McVeigh's rented Ryder truck carried a 5,000-pound bomb that killed 168 in Oklahoma City.
Banning all semi-trailer trucks. They can carry bombs weighing more than 50,000 pounds.
Banning newspapers on subways. That's how the terrorists hid packages of sarin nerve gas in the Tokyo subway system. They killed 12.
Banning backpacks on all buses and subways. That's how the terrorists got the bombs into the London subway system. They killed 52.
Banning all cell phones on trains. That's how they detonated the bombs in backpacks placed on commuter trains in Madrid. They killed 191.
Banning all small pleasure boats on public waterways. That's how terrorists attacked the USS Cole, killing 17.
Banning all heavy or bulky clothing in all public places. That's how suicide bombers hide their murderous charges. Thousands killed.

Number of people killed by a terrorist attack using a GA aircraft? Zero.

Number of people injured by a terrorist attack using a GA aircraft? Zero.

Property damage from a terrorist attack using a GA aircraft? None.

So Mr. Mayor (and Mr. Governor, Ms. Senator, Mr. Congressman, and Mr. "Expert"), if you're truly serious about "protecting" the public, advocate all of the bans I've listed above. Using the "logic" you apply to general aviation aircraft, you're forced to conclude that newspapers, winter coats, cell phones, backpacks, trucks, and boats all pose much greater risks to the public.

So be consistent in your logic. If you are dead set on restricting a personal transportation system that carries more passengers than any single airline, reaches more American cities than all the airlines combined, provides employment for 1.3 million American citizens and $160 billion in business "to protect the public," then restrict or control every other transportation system that the terrorists have demonstrated they can use to kill.

If you're not willing to be consistent, then we might think that you're pandering to uninformed public fears, posturing from the soapbox of demagoguery, screaming security for your own political ends.

FLYBOYJ · 11-10-2006, 08:50 AM

What the NTSB Came up with...

NTSB CITES CROSSWIND AS FACTOR IN LIDLE ACCIDENT
The NTSB says that a 13-knot easterly crosswind may have been a factor in the accident that killed Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor, Tyler Stanger. According to the NTSB, Lidle's Cirrus SR20 was flying over the east side of Roosevelt Island before starting a 180-degree turn. From that position, there was only 1,700 feet of room to complete the turn. However, the easterly crosswind would have caused the aircraft to drift about 400 feet, leaving only 1,300 feet to complete the turn. The board computed that with an airspeed of 97 knots, the pilot would have needed a 53-degree bank angle and pulled 1.7 Gs in order to complete the turn without hitting the building. If the bank angle at the beginning of the turn were less steep, an increasingly aggressive bank would have been needed, and that would have put the aircraft close to a stall. The AOPA Air Safety Foundation notes that some 26 percent of fatal accidents occur during maneuvering flight.

This is pilot 101 - not adjusting for the winds in turns...

mkloby · 11-10-2006, 11:10 AM

Too low for a split-S, I'm guessing the A/C cannot perform an immelman - and his A/S was too slow anyway I'm sure. Again - don't know what his stall speeds were - and this is one of the things I dislike about these investigations... but if you lower your A/S, and keep the same AOB, then your radius of turn will become tighter - which the board no doubt knows - but maybe they keep it on the simple side for the reports.

I'm still stunned about the fact that an instructor was there...

10-13-2006, 03:47 AM	#34
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,086	Congrats man! __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

10-14-2006, 05:41 PM	#36
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,421	Good job, Marine. __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

10-15-2006, 10:33 AM	#38
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,881	BTW - I read on Friday, the FAA closed the VFR corridor along the East River. They only allow helicopters and a small seaplane operator to go in there without calling ATC. __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

10-17-2006, 10:52 PM	#39
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,421	From what I have heard, that coridor had a lot of helos in there anyway. Looks pretty narrow and not a place for a novice. I heard on the radio that there were experienced pilots that would fly there. __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

10-18-2006, 06:13 AM	#40
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,881	Yep - correct! Not a place for a novice pilot or anyone not familiar with the area. Flying there on a day with falling visibility was just plain stupid. __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

10-14-2006, 01:20 PM	#35
Dazed Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 15	Congrats!

10-14-2006, 11:46 PM	#37
Propwash Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 9	Way to go!

10-23-2006, 11:42 AM	#41
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,881	Here's some more!!!! Mayor Daley - A GENUINE IDIOT He's just as arrogant and ignorant as his father. As a result of the the light plane crash in NYC he is once again politicking General Aviation, terrorism and what he did to Meigs Field. Here is a letter to him from Phil Boyer, President of the Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association... Enough is enough BY PHIL BOYER Mayor Daley's latest rants have sent me over the edge. He used the accident in New York to once again demand a no-fly zone over downtown Chicago for general aviation aircraft. It was expected, of course. He has an irrational hatred for piston-engine aircraft, as evidenced by his illogical tirade this week. "They should not jeopardize, through intentionally or by accident, a single- or two-engine plane flying over our city [sic]," the Meigs Field destroyer exploded at a press conference. (I don't think he was including Boeing 737s, 757s, and 767s in his list of twin-engine aircraft.) "Remember: a single- or two-engine plane can kill as many people as possible if they want to." And if it were just Daley, I'd ignore his ravings, just as the folks in the federal government in charge of security and airspace do. But it's not just him. Other politicians (with the spectacular and notable exception of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg) and self-appointed "experts" are jumping on the tragic accident — repeat, accident — in New York to sound off again about the "danger" of light aircraft, and how they must be regulated, restricted, banned. OK, for all of those ranting about "threats" from GA aircraft, we'll believe that you're really serious about controlling "threats" when you call for: Banning all vans within cities. A small panel van was used in the first World Trade Center attack. The bomb, which weighed 1,500 pounds, killed six and injured 1,042. Banning all box trucks from cities. Timothy McVeigh's rented Ryder truck carried a 5,000-pound bomb that killed 168 in Oklahoma City. Banning all semi-trailer trucks. They can carry bombs weighing more than 50,000 pounds. Banning newspapers on subways. That's how the terrorists hid packages of sarin nerve gas in the Tokyo subway system. They killed 12. Banning backpacks on all buses and subways. That's how the terrorists got the bombs into the London subway system. They killed 52. Banning all cell phones on trains. That's how they detonated the bombs in backpacks placed on commuter trains in Madrid. They killed 191. Banning all small pleasure boats on public waterways. That's how terrorists attacked the USS Cole, killing 17. Banning all heavy or bulky clothing in all public places. That's how suicide bombers hide their murderous charges. Thousands killed. Number of people killed by a terrorist attack using a GA aircraft? Zero. Number of people injured by a terrorist attack using a GA aircraft? Zero. Property damage from a terrorist attack using a GA aircraft? None. So Mr. Mayor (and Mr. Governor, Ms. Senator, Mr. Congressman, and Mr. "Expert"), if you're truly serious about "protecting" the public, advocate all of the bans I've listed above. Using the "logic" you apply to general aviation aircraft, you're forced to conclude that newspapers, winter coats, cell phones, backpacks, trucks, and boats all pose much greater risks to the public. So be consistent in your logic. If you are dead set on restricting a personal transportation system that carries more passengers than any single airline, reaches more American cities than all the airlines combined, provides employment for 1.3 million American citizens and $160 billion in business "to protect the public," then restrict or control every other transportation system that the terrorists have demonstrated they can use to kill. If you're not willing to be consistent, then we might think that you're pandering to uninformed public fears, posturing from the soapbox of demagoguery, screaming security for your own political ends. __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

11-10-2006, 08:50 AM	#42
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,881	What the NTSB Came up with... NTSB CITES CROSSWIND AS FACTOR IN LIDLE ACCIDENT The NTSB says that a 13-knot easterly crosswind may have been a factor in the accident that killed Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor, Tyler Stanger. According to the NTSB, Lidle's Cirrus SR20 was flying over the east side of Roosevelt Island before starting a 180-degree turn. From that position, there was only 1,700 feet of room to complete the turn. However, the easterly crosswind would have caused the aircraft to drift about 400 feet, leaving only 1,300 feet to complete the turn. The board computed that with an airspeed of 97 knots, the pilot would have needed a 53-degree bank angle and pulled 1.7 Gs in order to complete the turn without hitting the building. If the bank angle at the beginning of the turn were less steep, an increasingly aggressive bank would have been needed, and that would have put the aircraft close to a stall. The AOPA Air Safety Foundation notes that some 26 percent of fatal accidents occur during maneuvering flight. This is pilot 101 - not adjusting for the winds in turns... __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis <

11-10-2006, 11:10 AM	#43
mkloby Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, NC Posts: 3,562	Too low for a split-S, I'm guessing the A/C cannot perform an immelman - and his A/S was too slow anyway I'm sure. Again - don't know what his stall speeds were - and this is one of the things I dislike about these investigations... but if you lower your A/S, and keep the same AOB, then your radius of turn will become tighter - which the board no doubt knows - but maybe they keep it on the simple side for the reports. I'm still stunned about the fact that an instructor was there... __________________ If the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines

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