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Old 08-14-2006, 04:46 PM   #16
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A UFO doesn't necessarily mean an alien right? just something u can't identify that flies
I'm with looma, plenty of things whizzing around out there that are unknown but that doesn't give them any intelligence. Just unexplained.
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Old 08-14-2006, 05:24 PM   #17
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I recall that recently a former Canadian Prime Minister or Defense Minister made a big outing about the UFOs..
Yes, a quick gooogle and here it is.. (source site is at bottom)

On September 25, 2005, Hon Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian Minister for National Defense gave a speech in Toronto at an event titled: "Exopolitics Toronto: A Symposium on UFO Disclosure and Planetary Direction" (Exopolitics Toronto - UFO Disclosure and Planetary Directions) . Hellyer described his time as Minister for Defense from 1963-1967 where the occasional UFO sighting report crossed his desk. He claims to never have had time for what he considered to be a "flight of fancy", but nevertheless retained an interest in the UFO phenomenon. While Minister for Defense, he was guest of honor at the opening of the world's first UFO landing pad at Alberta, Canada in 1967. He thought it an innovative idea from a progressive Canadian community willing to pay for his helicopter ride, but did not give much thought to UFOs as having serious policy implications. He also describes a private UFO sighting he later had with family and guests, but once again attributed it to a 'flight of fancy' rather than anything having serious policy implications.

Hellyer's position on UFOs dramatically changed after watching the late Peter Jennings documentary special, "Seeing is Believing" in February 2005. Hellyer decided to read a book that had been idly sitting on his book shelf for two years. Philip Corso's, The Day After Roswell, sparked intense interest for Hellyer in terms of its policy implications. Corso named real people, institutions and events in his book that could be checked. Intrigued by the policy implications, Hellyer decided to confirm whether Corso's book was real or a "work of fiction". He contacted a retired United States Air Force General and spoke to him directly to verify Corso's claims. The unnamed General simply said: "every word is true and more". Hellyer then proceeded to discuss the "and more …" with the general and claimed he was told remarkable things concerning UFOs and the extraterrestrial hypothesis that interplanetary visitors have been here since at least 1947. Finally convinced that the UFO phenomenon was real Hellyer decided to come forward and speak at Exopolitics Toronto about some of the "most profoundly important policy questions that must be addressed." (for speech go to: Directory Listing of /video/ ). The policy questions Hellyer addressed in his talk are both profound and vitally important for citizens of every nation of Earth.

First, Hellyer claimed that evidence concerning UFOs is the "greatest and most successful cover up in the history of the world". He confirmed that senior political officials even at the rank of Minister of Defense, a position he himself occupied, are simply out of the loop when it comes to information concerning UFOs and visiting extraterrestrials. From a democratic perspective, that raises many concerns about oversight, transparency and accountability of those in control of the information, technology and projects concerning the extraterrestrial visitors.

A second profound policy question concerns the designation by the U.S. military of visiting extraterrestrials as an 'enemy'. According to Hellyer, this had led to the development of "laser and particle guns to the point that they can be used against the visitors from space." It is this targeting of visiting extraterrestrials that concerns Hellyer, and he asks "is it wise to spend so much time and money to build weapon systems to rid the skies of alien visitors?" Hellyer poignantly raises the key policy question: "Are they really enemies or merely legitimate explorers from afar?" Hellyer's question raises profound importance in understanding the relationship between visiting extraterrestrial civilizations and world peace.

The third policy question arose from the recent decision by President Bush to build a base on the moon. Hellyer believes this is the activation of a plan first launched by Col Corso's mentor, Lt General Arthur Trudeau to build a base from which visiting extraterrestrials could be monitored and possibly targeted as they approach the Earth. Hellyer outlined his opposition to the weaponization of space, something that the liberal government of Canada is currently opposed to. The weaponization of space remains a key policy issue clearly has profound policy issues from the perspective of extraterrestrial visitors to Earth.

Finally, Hellyer declared that the "time has come to lift the veil of secrecy" and to have an "informed debate about a problem that doesn't officially exist." Understanding the evidence concerning the UFO phenomenon is vital to fully preparing citizens around the world for the truth concerning extraterrestrials, despite official denial and secrecy by those "in the loop". He calls for major global initiatives to fully prepare global citizenry for the truth. He endorses a position taken by key exopolitical researchers such as Alfred Webre to prepare for a "Decade of Contact" where humanity is prepared for the truth about extraterrestrial visitors through informed debate and education.

Paul Hellyer is the first senior politician to openly come out and declare the truth about the extraterrestrial presence. He is blazing a trail that many other senior politicians are destined to take. It will be wise if the world's senior politicians quickly learn more about this remarkable Canadian statesman and heed his important advise about data on extraterrestrial visitors and the "profoundly important policy questions that must be addressed."





© Michael E. Salla, PhD
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Alberta UFO Study Group - Table of Contents
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Old 08-14-2006, 09:09 PM   #18
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as I was sitting in the Tower one evening I observed lights dancing around to the west of my location the nearest habitation to the west was about 100 miles away . I called the airfield radar and asked the guys if they painted anyone to the west and got a negative answer as I was working at a NORAD base I had access to a push to talk phone to the the regional norad controller and had them look to the spot I indicated ...still a negative answer now I know what an aircraft looks like and how it behaves but this was odd
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Old 08-15-2006, 03:53 AM   #19
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whilst i agree there has to be some other form of life out there, i don't believe they'll come to us with little flashing lights and just hover there, it's more than likely they'll come in their thousands to destroy us in a quest for galactic domination, as we would properly destroy them one day anyway.........
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:27 AM   #20
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Les, can you copy the tape into your PC and post it?
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Old 08-15-2006, 05:30 AM   #21
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I just can not comprehend that we are the only intelligent life forms in the universe. There has to be another planet with life somewhere and they are probabbly watching us. Probably thinking how stupid we are too...

I think that if we ever made contact with another life form, it would come in peace and want to share there technology with us but we as human beings who are scared of what we do not understand will try and kill them and then who knows...
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Old 08-15-2006, 06:00 AM   #22
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Well, me personally believe that as well - universe is so giant and if you assumme that it is proven that that close as Mars, there used to be water and bacteria... Anyone ever read Erich von Däniken? Some of it is BS, I know, but still very interesting reading...
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No Pisis, I dont have the ability to transfer from VHS to the computer...
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maybe our little green friends have that kinda technology although no doubt they will have more pressing matters to attend to.......

failing that you could always take them to a local photo shop where they can do al kinda of crazy sh*t like that
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Old 08-15-2006, 08:28 AM   #25
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So just retake the TV with your digital camera/videocamera and post it here...
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Old 08-15-2006, 01:18 PM   #26
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Interesting thread. I've never witnessed anything of this nature myself, but I still believe that we're hardly alone in the universe. I've seen strange lights in the sky on occasion, but all were explained away to my satisfaction. That's not to say that I don't believe strange things can happen.

Parm, Paul Hellyer is a fruitcake. He always was. He was the Minister of National Defence way back in the late 1960's. Now he's just a nutty old man.
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The UFO phenomena is too widespread to be ignored or dismissed. As I said, even if ISN'T approached as alien visitors, the category should be studied for the sake of what causes normal people to see the same basic thing all over the globe. I don't mean lights in the night sky or blurry reflections off a distant aerial object where there is no relative scale or reference point to use as a factorable guide. I mean the very clear, close videos that show an well defined object with obvious landmarks in the frame.

If it turns out to be some sort of weird mental/visual trick we ought to have option of someone seriously studying it instead of having the whole topic brushed aside by people before they even review the tangibles.
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