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01-28-2006, 03:33 PM
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01-28-2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Clave I would find it difficult to shoot a child... | While I would never shoot a unarmed child either but if they had a gun or grenade and were just about to kill me.... what choice would I have ? I think that a few vet. from war most likely had similar nightmares of such things years later to. War is ugly. I think once you been a war that you are never the same later. Ask the vets here that have seen action. Les, Chris and anyone else that I have missed. They are not evil or bad men but they have a job to do (admittedly it might at times be a hard job), and they have wives and kids at home waiting for them to come home, their job is to get home alive. If I have spoken out of line for the vets here I am sorry they have all my respect. I am indebted to them for making our world free. We ask them to do ugly things at times to keep us safe and when they do it we can't judge them when they have done it. I salute all vets from any war. They have my respect.
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01-28-2006, 04:00 PM
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01-29-2006, 05:45 AM
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#19 | | Der Crewchief
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No as a US Army soldier I do not believe in harming unarmed women and children or using them as bait, however if it is needed to bring down some of these scum bags in Iraq then so be it. As Les said iti s effective and if it gets the job done then so be it!
As for Children I do not believe in shooting an un armed child and never will, however as Les said it is hard to do so even when needed. When I was in Iraq you did not know what kids were un armed or which ones had a grenade in there pocket. It is the most scary thing I have ever been through. The kids also do not know what is playing and what is not. They pull out there fake guns that look real and point them at you, or they make motions like they are aiming a RPG at your helicopter with a garden rake (which at a distance of a km or more no longer looks like a garden rake but rather a lot like a RPG!). You do not have time to wait and see what that kid has, you have to make a split desision and act immediatly. Sometimes the kid did not have anything, but what if he did and you did not do anything. Then it is you that is not going home to your wife and kids....
It is really hard to understand what is going on over there right now, and I believe the only people that can really understand are other Vets and most deffinatly Vietnam vets.
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01-29-2006, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Heres my take on it Hunter.
No as a US Army soldier I do not believe in harming unarmed women and children or using them as bait, however if it is needed to bring down some of these scum bags in Iraq then so be it. As Les said iti s effective and if it gets the job done then so be it!
As for Children I do not believe in shooting an un armed child and never will, however as Les said it is hard to do so even when needed. When I was in Iraq you did not know what kids were un armed or which ones had a grenade in there pocket. It is the most scary thing I have ever been through. The kids also do not know what is playing and what is not. They pull out there fake guns that look real and point them at you, or they make motions like they are aiming a RPG at your helicopter with a garden rake (which at a distance of a km or more no longer looks like a garden rake but rather a lot like a RPG!). You do not have time to wait and see what that kid has, you have to make a split desision and act immediatly. Sometimes the kid did not have anything, but what if he did and you did not do anything. Then it is you that is not going home to your wife and kids....
It is really hard to understand what is going on over there right now, and I believe the only people that can really understand are other Vets and most deffinatly Vietnam vets. | That really makes me sad to hear you relate that story Chris. I could not even to begin to think what it would be like to shoot a kid even if he had a gun or even worse shoot him and then find out it was nothing but a broom stick or play gun. wow that is what nightmares are made of. Fighting men is one thing, but having to fight kids and women is totally different. God Bless.
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01-30-2006, 06:42 AM
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#21 | | Minister of Whoopass
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01-30-2006, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by lesofprimus As I have mentioned before, this topic is what made me decide to leave the Teams and become a civilian.... | I fully understand your feelings Les, sorry if this has brought up bad memories. Mark
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01-30-2006, 05:12 PM
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#23 | | Minister of Whoopass
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02-04-2006, 04:49 AM
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#24 | | Der Crewchief
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