 | Virginia governor closes gun loophole...| OFF-Topic / Misc. Discuss Virginia governor closes gun loophole... in the Current forums; Originally Posted by Clave
I'd like to see the stats of legal vs illegal firearm homicides...
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05-09-2007, 08:29 AM
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#31 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Clave  I'd like to see the stats of legal vs illegal firearm homicides...
I don't think America has anything to lose by trying gun control.
If take as many guns as possible out of circulation, it will have an effect... |
No, because then the decent people (which is the majority of the country, even though foriegners choose not to believe so  ) should not have to give up there rights to own firearms.
I would also like to state again, that the US does have fire arm controls set in place....
So does every other country in the world and they still have gun homicides too!
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05-09-2007, 08:39 AM
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#32 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Clave I'd like to see the stats of legal vs illegal firearm homicides...
I don't think America has anything to lose by trying gun control.
If take as many guns as possible out of circulation, it will have an effect... | America already has gun control laws. There's a background check for every gun purchase (as shown in this thread, but the system broke down due to the bureaucracy between the state and federal government). In certain states you have to register your guns. In certain states you can't own certain types guns (the so called assault weapon) and in certain cities handguns are prohibited. Does it work? NO. Washington DC - the nation's capital has the strictest gun laws in the country but yet has the highest murder rates.
America doesn't need gun control, it needs criminal control....
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05-09-2007, 10:45 AM
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Country:  | Oh there's no doubt about that, I just don't see the actual problem with closing all gun shops and destroying all the guns that are out there...just as an experiment you know...
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05-09-2007, 10:47 AM
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#34 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | If they are closed how will the normal decent law abiding citizens (which again is the majority of the nation) get there legally owned fire arms that they have the right to own?
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05-09-2007, 10:53 AM
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#35 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Clave Oh there's no doubt about that, I just don't see the actual problem with closing all gun shops and destroying all the guns that are out there...just as an experiment you know... | How are you going to get the illegal guns - those acquired on the black market and used in most of the crimes committed with guns? House to house search? Sounds real democratic to me!
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05-09-2007, 10:17 PM
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Country: | Hey Clave. How about banning all art since a few promote racism, hatred and warmongering with their depictions. Lets just start with a moratorium on all art. Ban it all for just a while. An experiment you know. Just to see what happens. See if the bad art stops. I thought you were smarter than that...
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05-10-2007, 03:10 AM
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Like wise if other nations choose not to its their choice | |
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05-10-2007, 06:37 AM
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I'm am not a ****ing Liberal! I am however in favour of discussing ideas you know? talking about stuff without people jumping on some 'STFU Liberal!' stereotype..
At the end of the day it's YOU who have the problem, not ME... The amount of gun crime here is a fly speck compared to the USA, so why should I bother?
It's simple - these things, trends, or whatever, pass form country to country, and so a big problem in the USA becomes a minor problem in the UK, and then it escalates...
Soo.. I'll put it another way: How many lives do you think would be saved if you all were prepared to sacrifice your guns?
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05-10-2007, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Clave Soo.. I'll put it another way: How many lives do you think would be saved if you all were prepared to sacrifice your guns? | Ask the criminal who perpetuate those crimes the same question...
You still didn't come up with an answer on how you would get everyone to turn in their guns. Door to door searches? Outdoor disposal canisters?
Even though the UK has a nano percent of the gun violence we have here, you still have people getting murdered with firearms. Bottom line gun control don't work....
BTW in my city of over 140,000 people there were 3 murders last year. The neighboring town (which is just across the street from me) hasn't has a murder in 10 years. Crime is almost non existent and I would guess 80% of the households in my neighborhood are armed.
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05-10-2007, 07:43 AM
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So, what is the answer? More police?
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05-10-2007, 09:11 AM
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#42 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Clave Good, we are discussing again now...
So, what is the answer? More police? | More police may help but believe it or not many here don't like the police and are afraid of the "police state" mentality. It's a matter of the getting the population to respect their neighbors, the local laws and not to be dumbshits but like in any part of the world we have our idiots. In some places in this country firearm ownership is a deterrent and encouraged by local police.
Here's a blog of numerous self defence situations where armed citizens legally defended themselves. Civilian Gun Self-Defense Blog
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05-10-2007, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Clave At the end of the day it's YOU who have the problem, not ME... The amount of gun crime here is a fly speck compared to the USA, so why should I bother? | Look at your population, look at ours. I promise you, if you had the population that we have you would have the same amount of gun related murder. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Clave It's simple - these things, trends, or whatever, pass form country to country, and so a big problem in the USA becomes a minor problem in the UK, and then it escalates... | No, dont blame the UKs problems or future problems on the US. That is a poor excuse...
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05-10-2007, 10:24 AM
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#44 | | aka Dickcheese
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Country: | What was wrong with my analogy?! My analogy offers a point of discussion. That being if you ban all guns (to include those of law abiding citizens) might you being doing more harm than good? What are the long term results would allowing criminals to remain armed while law abiding citizens are stripped of theirs? And what repercussions might this have upon the citizenry's ability to enforce all the other rights with an oppressive gov't.
Never once did I insult you Clave. You overreacted. You need to get in touch with your masculine side (see, that is an insult). 
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05-10-2007, 10:34 AM
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Country: | It's not blame as such, more that stuff migrates: rap, gang culture, carrying weapons, etc. This is not the fault of the US, it's simple 'copycat culture'
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