What did I do wrong (school) - Aircraft of World War II

B-17engineer · 11-19-2009, 02:30 PM

Okay, I have a question, is having a book, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, in class with me make me a target to get kicked out of class?

In English class I am reading Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and a biography on Heinrich Himler (WHICH THE TEACHER SAID WAS OK) and one has a Swastika on the cover... so in music today I had to book so I didn't need to go to my locker and the teacher told me to get out of her class....

NO WHERE in the school 'rules and dress code'' book does it specifically say or even generally say 'NO SWASTIKAS'

Its not like I am promoting Nazi Ideology, no one in the class is Jewish, the teacher isn't Jewish...

I asked my dad and he says I can read whatever the hell I want and if she has a problem next class she can call my dad before anyone else gets involved....

My dad is

FLYBOYJ · 11-19-2009, 02:50 PM

If I were your dad I'd take that teacher to task and demand a meeting with not only her and your princpal, but your english teacher to discuss why an "approved" book got you kicked out of her class. If it was determined that you were in your right to have that book I would demand a public apology in front of your classmates. If the school doesn't do anything, not only call the local media - I'D CALL THE ACLU - THAT'S RIGHT, THE ACLU!!!!!

I know some schools have rules against any literature with a swastkia on them - if there was no policy on that I think your music teacher is an idiot and you could even tell her to read this post.

Sometimes those who teach the "liberal arts" are less tolerant than Nazis!

Lucky13 · 11-19-2009, 02:54 PM

WTF!!??

B-17engineer · 11-19-2009, 02:54 PM

I'll ask my dad what he'll do, because I am really curious.

I told my English teacher today and he said, "Well in no way are you promoting any ideas or parading around the school. All you are is a boy wanting to learn a bit more."

So I came home called my dad and asked what I should do. He was extremely angered at me getting kicked out of class (not at me but the teacher) and he said, "We'll talk when I get home."

buffnut453 · 11-19-2009, 02:59 PM

Totally agree with Flyboy. I'd go with your Dad to see the headmaster/principal to sort this out. How on earth is mankind supposed to learn from mistakes if teachers are banning history. Nazi policies towards "untermensch" were abhorrent but that's precisely why they MUST be remembered, to remaind us all that even democratically elected government can, under the right conditions, spiral out of control. To ban a student for having a history book with a swastika on the cover is, frankly, puerile - but then so is the removal of swastika decals from model kits.

I trust your Dad is as proud of you for studying as I would be of one of my boys. Too many people, of all ages, succumb to the inane drivel of reality TV and other media-driven garbage. I applaud you for actually taking the time to study and learn.

Bucksnort101 · 11-19-2009, 03:10 PM

Do exactly what Joe says and accept nothing less that what he states as a solution. If she was offended by the book she could have asked you to put them out of her sight. A agree that the liberal leaning population in this country are just as intolerant, if nto more so than they accuse the right leaners of being.
Good lu

Aaron Brooks Wolters · 11-19-2009, 03:22 PM

Same here Harrison. I agree with FlyboyJ. Let'em have it.

ToughOmbre · 11-19-2009, 03:25 PM

Maybe you should call Bill O'Reilly. He covers this kind of stuff on FOX and he will take the dopey school officials to task.

TO

Aaron Brooks Wolters · 11-19-2009, 03:28 PM

THAT is a good idea TO!!!

seesul · 11-19-2009, 03:35 PM

The teacher doesn´t know the difference between swastika painted on the wall and swastika painted on the aircraft kit or shown in the historical book. The difference is:
-who paints the swastika on the wall belogs in jail as he supports nazi thoughts
-who doesn´t know why there´s swastika on the aircraft kit or in the historical book, belongs back to the school to teach the history again

Bug_racer · 11-19-2009, 03:37 PM

I feel for ya buddy . I went through the same thing at school . My grandfather fought in the Hitler youth in '45 and he is a hero to me . 15 years old with a rifle and a few grenades with a few of his mates told to stop a Russian onslaught . Teachers didnt see it the same way as me . I was labeled a Nazi from day 1 . In a world thats so politically correct and seems to want everyone to be so understanding about different races to stamp out racism , they seem to understand so little about the so called biggest racist nation created .

I cant believe they dont allow swastika's on models anymore . Like of all the empires in the world they are made out to be the most evil . Good men served and died under the swastika and should be respected and remembered with honour !

Vassili Zaitzev · 11-19-2009, 03:42 PM

You're music teacher is an idiot, follow FBJ's advice. I'm aggravated by this, why do people take offense to everything and anything; it's obvious you weren't promoting Nazi ideals.

B-17engineer · 11-19-2009, 03:46 PM

Thanks all. My dad said he'll send the teacher an email and ask here who is she to tell me I can't do this.. he'll CC it to the principal. If he doesn't get the response he wants he'll have a face to face discussion with everyone (Principal, Vice Principal, Music teacher, and I.)

Then if that doesn't work, he said, well there will be HUGE issues.

diddyriddick · 11-19-2009, 03:47 PM

The really ironic part is that Bill Shirer is about as far from being pro Nazi as any writer on WWII could be. If you raise hell with the school board/Principal, make sure that you have some of Shirer's more anti-Nazi text in hand. There is plenty of it in that book. Good luck, and let us know how this turns out.

syscom3 · 11-19-2009, 03:47 PM

I agree with FBJ. Obviously the teacher did not understand you were studying history and not promoting an ideology. A meeting with the principal is in order and really rub it into her. "Twist the knives" as they say. The book is also one of classics about the war and you should be offended that a music teacher wants to whitewash what happened.

11-19-2009, 02:30 PM	#1
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey..The Garden State! Posts: 9,206	What did I do wrong (school) Okay, I have a question, is having a book, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, in class with me make me a target to get kicked out of class? In English class I am reading Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and a biography on Heinrich Himler (WHICH THE TEACHER SAID WAS OK) and one has a Swastika on the cover... so in music today I had to book so I didn't need to go to my locker and the teacher told me to get out of her class.... NO WHERE in the school 'rules and dress code'' book does it specifically say or even generally say 'NO SWASTIKAS' Its not like I am promoting Nazi Ideology, no one in the class is Jewish, the teacher isn't Jewish... I asked my dad and he says I can read whatever the hell I want and if she has a problem next class she can call my dad before anyone else gets involved.... My dad is __________________ Sh! I'm hunting Wabits! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk Last edited by B-17engineer; 11-19-2009 at 02:33 PM.

11-19-2009, 02:50 PM	#2
FLYBOYJ IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 16,812	If I were your dad I'd take that teacher to task and demand a meeting with not only her and your princpal, but your english teacher to discuss why an "approved" book got you kicked out of her class. If it was determined that you were in your right to have that book I would demand a public apology in front of your classmates. If the school doesn't do anything, not only call the local media - I'D CALL THE ACLU - THAT'S RIGHT, THE ACLU!!!!! I know some schools have rules against any literature with a swastkia on them - if there was no policy on that I think your music teacher is an idiot and you could even tell her to read this post. Sometimes those who teach the "liberal arts" are less tolerant than Nazis! __________________ > I Support Doug Gillis < Last edited by FLYBOYJ; 11-19-2009 at 03:26 PM.

11-19-2009, 02:54 PM	#3
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,324	WTF!!?? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

11-19-2009, 02:54 PM	#4
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey..The Garden State! Posts: 9,206	I'll ask my dad what he'll do, because I am really curious. I told my English teacher today and he said, "Well in no way are you promoting any ideas or parading around the school. All you are is a boy wanting to learn a bit more." So I came home called my dad and asked what I should do. He was extremely angered at me getting kicked out of class (not at me but the teacher) and he said, "We'll talk when I get home." __________________ Sh! I'm hunting Wabits! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk

11-19-2009, 02:59 PM	#5
buffnut453 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 176	Totally agree with Flyboy. I'd go with your Dad to see the headmaster/principal to sort this out. How on earth is mankind supposed to learn from mistakes if teachers are banning history. Nazi policies towards "untermensch" were abhorrent but that's precisely why they MUST be remembered, to remaind us all that even democratically elected government can, under the right conditions, spiral out of control. To ban a student for having a history book with a swastika on the cover is, frankly, puerile - but then so is the removal of swastika decals from model kits. I trust your Dad is as proud of you for studying as I would be of one of my boys. Too many people, of all ages, succumb to the inane drivel of reality TV and other media-driven garbage. I applaud you for actually taking the time to study and learn. Last edited by buffnut453; 11-19-2009 at 03:02 PM.

11-19-2009, 03:10 PM	#6
Bucksnort101 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,697	Do exactly what Joe says and accept nothing less that what he states as a solution. If she was offended by the book she could have asked you to put them out of her sight. A agree that the liberal leaning population in this country are just as intolerant, if nto more so than they accuse the right leaners of being. Good lu __________________ A 2006 study found that the average American walks about 900 miles a year. Another study found that Americans drink an average of 22 gallons of beer a year. That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles per gallon.

11-19-2009, 03:22 PM	#7
Aaron Brooks Wolters Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Abingdon, VA. Posts: 3,454	Same here Harrison. I agree with FlyboyJ. Let'em have it. __________________

11-19-2009, 03:25 PM	#8
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,508	Maybe you should call Bill O'Reilly. He covers this kind of stuff on FOX and he will take the dopey school officials to task. TO __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

11-19-2009, 03:28 PM	#9
Aaron Brooks Wolters Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Abingdon, VA. Posts: 3,454	THAT is a good idea TO!!! __________________

11-19-2009, 03:35 PM	#10
seesul Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Zlin, Czech Republic Posts: 2,849	The teacher doesn´t know the difference between swastika painted on the wall and swastika painted on the aircraft kit or shown in the historical book. The difference is: -who paints the swastika on the wall belogs in jail as he supports nazi thoughts -who doesn´t know why there´s swastika on the aircraft kit or in the historical book, belongs back to the school to teach the history again __________________ Roman Susil Zlin, Czech Republic ...a friend of Joe Owsianik,So. Plainfield, NJ, a former left waist gunner from B-17G ''Tail End Charlie" from 2ndBG,20th Sqdn who was forced to bail out on Aug. 29th, 1944 over my country.

11-19-2009, 03:37 PM	#11
Bug_racer Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 90	I feel for ya buddy . I went through the same thing at school . My grandfather fought in the Hitler youth in '45 and he is a hero to me . 15 years old with a rifle and a few grenades with a few of his mates told to stop a Russian onslaught . Teachers didnt see it the same way as me . I was labeled a Nazi from day 1 . In a world thats so politically correct and seems to want everyone to be so understanding about different races to stamp out racism , they seem to understand so little about the so called biggest racist nation created . I cant believe they dont allow swastika's on models anymore . Like of all the empires in the world they are made out to be the most evil . Good men served and died under the swastika and should be respected and remembered with honour !

11-19-2009, 03:42 PM	#12
Vassili Zaitzev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut Posts: 2,471	You're music teacher is an idiot, follow FBJ's advice. I'm aggravated by this, why do people take offense to everything and anything; it's obvious you weren't promoting Nazi ideals. __________________ "Never was so much owed by so many to so few"- Winston Churchill.

11-19-2009, 03:46 PM	#13
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey..The Garden State! Posts: 9,206	Thanks all. My dad said he'll send the teacher an email and ask here who is she to tell me I can't do this.. he'll CC it to the principal. If he doesn't get the response he wants he'll have a face to face discussion with everyone (Principal, Vice Principal, Music teacher, and I.) Then if that doesn't work, he said, well there will be HUGE issues. __________________ Sh! I'm hunting Wabits! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk

11-19-2009, 03:47 PM	#14
diddyriddick Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Hamlet, NC, US Posts: 1,096	The really ironic part is that Bill Shirer is about as far from being pro Nazi as any writer on WWII could be. If you raise hell with the school board/Principal, make sure that you have some of Shirer's more anti-Nazi text in hand. There is plenty of it in that book. Good luck, and let us know how this turns out. __________________ _____ Diddy

11-19-2009, 03:47 PM	#15
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,793	I agree with FBJ. Obviously the teacher did not understand you were studying history and not promoting an ideology. A meeting with the principal is in order and really rub it into her. "Twist the knives" as they say. The book is also one of classics about the war and you should be offended that a music teacher wants to whitewash what happened. __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

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