When does 'art' become porn? - Page 3 - Aircraft of World War II

Njaco · 06-10-2008, 09:13 AM

A Louisville slugger is a good 'ol wooden baseball bat. So named because I believe that they're made in St. Louis, MO. Or at least they used to be.

evangilder · 06-10-2008, 09:34 AM

Actually, it's made in Louisville Kentucky by the Hillerich and Bradsby company. The company is also known for hockey sticks, baseball gloves and other sports equipment. They also make an aluminum slugger called the Exogrid. But this'll work:

Lucky13 · 06-10-2008, 10:14 AM

Looks like you'll get a goooood swing with that one Eric....

freebird · 06-10-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

Yes, in the US at least. Anything pornography made with peoples under the age of concent (16 in the US, 14 in Canada) is considered child pornography. Above that age ( but still under 18 ) it bears an other name... And the punishment is not as severe.

And it just remembered me of something I heard in the news lately... Well, in fact it's two stories. Thanks Howard Stern...

Depends on your defenition of pornography Maestro. The US courts have repeatedly held that images of nudity {even of a child} are not pornography as long as there is no "sexual content"

But the question is this - If the 17 year old is charged with pornography, why was the original "producer" not charged? {the 16 yr old girl who sent the pics via e-mail}

Maestro · 06-10-2008, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebird

But the question is this - If the 17 year old is charged with pornography, why was the original "producer" not charged? {the 16 yr old girl who sent the pics via e-mail}

May be because she is also the victim ? She "self-photographed" to make a "surprise" to her boyfriend, but the bastard published the pictures.

freebird · 06-11-2008, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

May be because she is also the victim ? She "self-photographed" to make a "surprise" to her boyfriend, but the bastard published the pictures.

Ah yes but it would be hard to justify a very stiff charge against him but not her.

And unless she was engaged in some "sexual activity" it does not meet the defenition of child porn to begin with.

Don't misunderstand me, I sympathise with this girl to some extent, but it's time that these silly girls who e-mail their pictures realize that they have done this to themselves.

Njaco · 06-11-2008, 12:09 PM

Thanks for the correction, Eric. Never got past football too much.

Maestro · 06-22-2008, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evangilder

I don't agree with the Miley Cyrus photos either. Anytime a child is exploited like that, it emboldens the next person to take it a step further until it is "normal" by societal standards. It will never be "normal" to me. God help the bastard that even suggests a nude photo of my daughter.

Talking of Miley Cyrus, I just found that article... Now the real question : Do you believe it ? I don't. If that had happened to my daughter, I would have took an apointment with her publicist and showed up wit a MEB in my back pocket.

The Associated Press: Cyrus says he was surprised by Vanity Fair photo

Graeme · 06-23-2008, 03:30 AM

As a result of the 'Henson Affair', Australian parents may be banned from taking photos of their children at school activities and sports events...

Parents banned from snapping kids at sport | NEWS.com.au

Parents banned from snapping kids at sport

June 22, 2008 03:01am
Article from: The Sunday Telegraph

PARENTS are furious after being banned from taking photographs of their children at weekend sporting events.

They say the Bill Henson affair has made sports clubs paranoid about allowing them to photograph their children.

Henson was cleared after police seized naked photographs of a 13- year-old girl from an art gallery.

Netball, basketball, rugby league, AFL, cricket, soccer and baseball clubs have imposed rules to prevent photos of young players being taken without the consent of all parents and coaches.

NSW's Macarthur junior baseball league president Maud Goldfinch said parents had to sign a form confirming they would not take photographs without permission.

Ms Goldfinch said that as a parent, she did not agree with the policy, which deprived children of happy sporting memories.

"A lot of parents don't agree with what's going on.

"They're quite upset by not being able to take photos of their children - they see it as an invasion of their privacy.

"The Bill Henson (saga) brought it to a head. It's made people more aware ... and it brings debate around the topic."

Parents also need to give permission before photographs are uploaded to the club's website.

One father said he was made to feel like a pedophile while photographing his eight-year-old daughter on the netball court.

Michael Bianchino lodged a complaint with the Hills District Netball Association after it forbade him to photograph his daughter, Mia, during an under-nine match at Pennant Hills Park on May 31.

"The way I was treated, I was made to feel like a pedophile," Mr Bianchino said.

"I just said: 'I'm taking photos of my daughter - if anyone has a problem with their child being in the image, let me know."'

Club president Jennie Thompson repeatedly refused to comment on the incident, but said the club's policy was that parents could take photographs only after seeking permission.

"Our stance and our club's stance is that we ask people to obtain permission prior to taking photographs of junior players," she said.

Cherrybrook United Netball Club president Debbie Whittle said it was hard to get permission from every parent, so few photographs were taken.

"You want to get these memories for your children to keep.

"It's an important part of their childhood, and you're limited because of all these rulings about getting permission," she said.

eddie_brunette · 06-23-2008, 06:52 AM

Blame parents.
How many parents let their kids run nude on the beach?
The moment you take a pic of the waves breaking, a little naked bastard runs in front of the camera, you get arrested for child pornography.

But then again in Africa it is not funny to attend a function where you have 12/13 year old girls dancing without tops and then it is all good.

edd

freebird · 06-24-2008, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

Taking a shot of a nude minor is child porn and should be threated as such.

And if you want to know the difference between art and porn, it's rather easy... A nude girl is art. A nude girl with something in her ass or p*ssy is porn.

Huh?
You are making two opposite arguments here!

Is it A.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

Taking a shot of a nude minor is child porn

Or B.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

A nude girl is art.

And what is your definition of "minor" or "child"? 16? 17? 18?

Is it the age of consent of the girl in her home country or state? The state where the picture was taken? The home state of the photographer?

If you took pictures of your 19 yr old wife nude in Tunisia should you be charged with child porn? {age of consent is 20 there}

Is it Ok to take "art pictures" of a nude 13 yr old girl in Mexico if she agrees? {age of consent is 12 in Mexico}

Should a 18 yr old be charged with child porn if he has nude pics of his 16 yr old girlfriend on vacation in California? {age of consent = 18}

What if they are both from South Carolina? {age of consent = 14}

Just playing devil's advocate here.

I'm asking where do you draw the line, I've met "mature" 16 yr old girls capable of making decisions about their own sexuality and 25 yr old mental "basket cases" who are not.

Kruska · 06-24-2008, 03:59 AM

When does 'art' become porn?

I think every time I look at "art"

Regards
Kruska

freebird · 06-24-2008, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kruska

When does 'art' become porn?

I think every time I look at "art"

Regards
Kruska

Lots of "art" on the breaking news thread!

evangilder · 06-24-2008, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

Talking of Miley Cyrus, I just found that article... Now the real question : Do you believe it ? I don't. If that had happened to my daughter, I would have took an apointment with her publicist and showed up wit a MEB in my back pocket.

The Associated Press: Cyrus says he was surprised by Vanity Fair photo

Sorry, but trusting your child to a publicist?!? What a friggin' moron. He, of all people ought to know that the one who will know best is one the PARENTS. His quote says it all...
"So I was surprised when I saw it, you know, but ... stuff happens"

Stuff happens?!?! He should be furious.

Maestro · 06-24-2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebird

Huh?
You are making two opposite arguments here!

I think you only forgot to read a tiny word in my post...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maestro

Taking a shot of a nude minor is child porn and should be threated as such.

Now, if your an adult (18 or over) the second sentence you quoted apply. You can pose nude or you can do porn.

06-10-2008, 09:13 AM	#31
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	A Louisville slugger is a good 'ol wooden baseball bat. So named because I believe that they're made in St. Louis, MO. Or at least they used to be. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

06-10-2008, 09:34 AM	#32
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	Actually, it's made in Louisville Kentucky by the Hillerich and Bradsby company. The company is also known for hockey sticks, baseball gloves and other sports equipment. They also make an aluminum slugger called the Exogrid. But this'll work: __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

06-10-2008, 10:14 AM	#33
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	Looks like you'll get a goooood swing with that one Eric.... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

06-11-2008, 12:09 PM	#37
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,236	Thanks for the correction, Eric. Never got past football too much. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

06-24-2008, 03:59 AM	#42
Kruska Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 606	When does 'art' become porn? I think every time I look at "art" Regards Kruska __________________ Ich war Flieger - kein Killer

06-23-2008, 03:30 AM	#39
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,081	As a result of the 'Henson Affair', Australian parents may be banned from taking photos of their children at school activities and sports events... Parents banned from snapping kids at sport \| NEWS.com.au Parents banned from snapping kids at sport June 22, 2008 03:01am Article from: The Sunday Telegraph PARENTS are furious after being banned from taking photographs of their children at weekend sporting events. They say the Bill Henson affair has made sports clubs paranoid about allowing them to photograph their children. Henson was cleared after police seized naked photographs of a 13- year-old girl from an art gallery. Netball, basketball, rugby league, AFL, cricket, soccer and baseball clubs have imposed rules to prevent photos of young players being taken without the consent of all parents and coaches. NSW's Macarthur junior baseball league president Maud Goldfinch said parents had to sign a form confirming they would not take photographs without permission. Ms Goldfinch said that as a parent, she did not agree with the policy, which deprived children of happy sporting memories. "A lot of parents don't agree with what's going on. "They're quite upset by not being able to take photos of their children - they see it as an invasion of their privacy. "The Bill Henson (saga) brought it to a head. It's made people more aware ... and it brings debate around the topic." Parents also need to give permission before photographs are uploaded to the club's website. One father said he was made to feel like a pedophile while photographing his eight-year-old daughter on the netball court. Michael Bianchino lodged a complaint with the Hills District Netball Association after it forbade him to photograph his daughter, Mia, during an under-nine match at Pennant Hills Park on May 31. "The way I was treated, I was made to feel like a pedophile," Mr Bianchino said. "I just said: 'I'm taking photos of my daughter - if anyone has a problem with their child being in the image, let me know."' Club president Jennie Thompson repeatedly refused to comment on the incident, but said the club's policy was that parents could take photographs only after seeking permission. "Our stance and our club's stance is that we ask people to obtain permission prior to taking photographs of junior players," she said. Cherrybrook United Netball Club president Debbie Whittle said it was hard to get permission from every parent, so few photographs were taken. "You want to get these memories for your children to keep. "It's an important part of their childhood, and you're limited because of all these rulings about getting permission," she said.

06-23-2008, 06:52 AM	#40
eddie_brunette Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nelspruit, Mpumalanga Posts: 555	Blame parents. How many parents let their kids run nude on the beach? The moment you take a pic of the waves breaking, a little naked bastard runs in front of the camera, you get arrested for child pornography. But then again in Africa it is not funny to attend a function where you have 12/13 year old girls dancing without tops and then it is all good. edd

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