When does 'art' become porn? - Aircraft of World War II

Graeme · 06-06-2008, 08:39 PM

Hotly debated over the past week, even involving the Prime Minister and celebrities, such as Cate Blanchett. It started with this...

Police quiz photographer over nude shots - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

...and ended(?) with this..no charges being laid...

Australian Authorities Permit Publication of Nude Photo of 13 Year-Old Girl

If you had a daughter aged thirteen, would you allow her to be photographed nude for 'art'?

Njaco · 06-06-2008, 08:57 PM

A quick response from me would be I can think of no reason that I would allow my daughter at that age to be photographed. Until they reach the age of 18 I'm the adult and guardian of her and I make the decisions. I can't think of anything short of a medical reason. Not art.

Aaron Brooks Wolters · 06-06-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Njaco

A quick response from me would be I can think of no reason that I would allow my daughter at that age to be photographed. Until they reach the age of 18 I'm the adult and guardian of her and I make the decisions. I can't think of anything short of a medical reason. Not art.

Ditto for me. I do not have children and I view it as extremely immoral.

DOUGRD · 06-07-2008, 02:01 AM

Here's another thought....What is the artistic advantage to photographing a 13 year old rather than an 18 year old? I think if the photographer wanted to capture an innocent pose or flawless skin then there are older (legal) models who could fill the bill. So what's the point? I think he was just trying to "buck" the system.

lesofprimus · 06-07-2008, 09:37 AM

That "Photographer" should be arrexted and bunked up in the same cell as Bubba the 300 pound "Greenbough Ass-Raper"....

rochie · 06-07-2008, 09:40 AM

i agree with les, there is absolutley no justification for photographing minors naked

Lucky13 · 06-07-2008, 10:16 AM

With Les and Rochie....

evangilder · 06-07-2008, 10:20 AM

Unbelievable. What I find disturbing is the Australian laws on this. The classification board needs to be looked into.

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The board's decision comes only two weeks after they deemed acceptable nude photos of a 16 year-old girl found in Russh magazine. After investigating the pictures, which depicted the girl sharing a bubble bath with a 15 year-old boy and included four champagne bottles in close proximity, the board said the publication "does not need to be classified."

They need to deem these images as completely unacceptable and start arresting these photographers. There is art, porn and child exploitation. There is no reason for a child to have nude photos taken unless, as njaco pointed out, for medical reasons. And then, it needs to be monitored closely.

Being a photographer myself, I am appalled at what some of my fellow photographers will do.

Lucky13 · 06-07-2008, 10:42 AM

WTF!

syscom3 · 06-07-2008, 12:03 PM

I like what US Supreme Court Justices Potter Stewert said about pornography.

"hard-core pornography" was hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it."

Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964)

evangilder · 06-07-2008, 12:09 PM

I don't consider nude photos porn, for the most part. Nude photos of children, aside from medical necessity, is just criminal. It's not "art", it's not "expression", it's exploitation and abuse.

trackend · 06-07-2008, 02:47 PM

I'll go with that Eric. its gratification for some nutters perversion (usually the photographers) they just call it art to hide their twisted minds.
I have done a few nude shoots when I was in a photographic club it was not really my thing as I prefer portraits.

Maestro · 06-08-2008, 09:22 PM

What the fawk ?

Taking a shot of a nude minor is child porn and should be threated as such. You arrest the pedophile photographer and put him in jail... In the same wing that all those Hell's Angels bikers and let him get ass-raped in the shower by all those gang members.

And if you want to know the difference between art and porn, it's rather easy... A nude girl is art. A nude girl with something in her ass or p*ssy is porn.

Soren · 06-08-2008, 09:35 PM

Disgusting. Those photographers should be arrested no doubt about it.

freebird · 06-08-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by evangilder

Unbelievable. What I find disturbing is the Australian laws on this. The classification board needs to be looked into.

They need to deem these images as completely unacceptable and start arresting these photographers. There is art, porn and child exploitation.

Australian law? Eric, you do realize that nudity, even of children, is also protected by US law also do you not? In fact even Canada has stricter laws than the US in some ways.

In the USA nudity of children is not pornograpy if it does not involve any sexual content according to US supreme court rulings.

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Originally Posted by Njaco

A quick response from me would be I can think of no reason that I would allow my daughter at that age to be photographed.

And no father would Njaco, unless he was a pervert or an idiot!

However, do you think that the parents of Miley Cyrus {Hannah Montana} are much better? They allowed their 15 year old daughter to be photographed naked, with a sheet barely covering the "naughty bits" - in what would seem to be a provocative or "sexual" pose.

06-06-2008, 08:39 PM	#1
Graeme Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,081	When does 'art' become porn? Hotly debated over the past week, even involving the Prime Minister and celebrities, such as Cate Blanchett. It started with this... Police quiz photographer over nude shots - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ...and ended(?) with this..no charges being laid... Australian Authorities Permit Publication of Nude Photo of 13 Year-Old Girl If you had a daughter aged thirteen, would you allow her to be photographed nude for 'art'?

06-06-2008, 08:57 PM	#2
Njaco The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States Posts: 10,237	A quick response from me would be I can think of no reason that I would allow my daughter at that age to be photographed. Until they reach the age of 18 I'm the adult and guardian of her and I make the decisions. I can't think of anything short of a medical reason. Not art. __________________ "If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it's English, thank a soldier!" http://www.njcacoa.org/

06-07-2008, 02:01 AM	#4
DOUGRD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Alexandria, MN. USA Posts: 804	Here's another thought....What is the artistic advantage to photographing a 13 year old rather than an 18 year old? I think if the photographer wanted to capture an innocent pose or flawless skin then there are older (legal) models who could fill the bill. So what's the point? I think he was just trying to "buck" the system. __________________

06-07-2008, 09:37 AM	#5
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,503	That "Photographer" should be arrexted and bunked up in the same cell as Bubba the 300 pound "Greenbough Ass-Raper".... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

06-07-2008, 09:40 AM	#6
rochie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: billingham nr middlesbrough uk Posts: 3,115	i agree with les, there is absolutley no justification for photographing minors naked __________________ "We're not easily frightened. Also we know how hard it is for an army to cross the Channel — the last little corporal to try it came a cropper. So don't threaten or dictate to us until you're marching up Whitehall! ...and even then we won't listen!" quote from B.O.B movie

06-07-2008, 10:16 AM	#7
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	With Les and Rochie.... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

06-07-2008, 10:42 AM	#9
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,144	WTF! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

06-07-2008, 12:03 PM	#10
syscom3 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 10,283	I like what US Supreme Court Justices Potter Stewert said about pornography. "hard-core pornography" was hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it." Jacobellis v. Ohio (1964) __________________ "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

06-07-2008, 12:09 PM	#11
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	I don't consider nude photos porn, for the most part. Nude photos of children, aside from medical necessity, is just criminal. It's not "art", it's not "expression", it's exploitation and abuse. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

06-07-2008, 02:47 PM	#12
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,029	I'll go with that Eric. its gratification for some nutters perversion (usually the photographers) they just call it art to hide their twisted minds. I have done a few nude shoots when I was in a photographic club it was not really my thing as I prefer portraits.

06-08-2008, 09:22 PM	#13
Maestro Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beaupré, Province of Québec, Canada Posts: 2,381	What the fawk ? Taking a shot of a nude minor is child porn and should be threated as such. You arrest the pedophile photographer and put him in jail... In the same wing that all those Hell's Angels bikers and let him get ass-raped in the shower by all those gang members. And if you want to know the difference between art and porn, it's rather easy... A nude girl is art. A nude girl with something in her ass or p*ssy is porn. __________________ Maestro http://www.yantremblay.com/

06-08-2008, 09:35 PM	#14
Soren Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 6,116	Disgusting. Those photographers should be arrested no doubt about it. __________________ It was like being pushed by an Angel! - Adolf Galland I'm an educated engineer, so I love being technical and appraising of great inventions. So if you think I am being biased about something: Tell me! Then you'll probably find out that I am not

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