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07-13-2008, 09:39 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland
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|  Was WWI and WWII really WWI and WWII? Just wondering with all the combatants in the Napoleonic Wars....wasn't that a World War too? Belligerents Coalition forces: Austria Russia Prussia United Kingdom Spain Portugal Sicily Sardinia Sweden Hanover United Netherlands French Royalists(1815) Vs.. French Empire and allies: French Empire Holland Italy Etruria Naples Duchy of Warsaw Confederation of the Rhine Bavaria Saxony Westphalia Württemberg Denmark-Norway
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07-13-2008, 09:52 AM
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| Der Crewchief   Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| I like to think of WW2 just a continuation of WW1 with a lengthy ceasefire in between.
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07-13-2008, 10:02 AM
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| Don't forget the US and natives of N America I'd include Canada but we were still with the UK |
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07-13-2008, 10:02 AM
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 | Good point Adler, as soon as WW1 ended, the french and english treaties against the germans was just asking for trouble, and they got it all right.
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07-13-2008, 10:31 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas
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| WW1 just had a 20-year intermission.
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07-13-2008, 12:35 PM
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| The Pop-Tart Whisperer   Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States
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| I've wondered the same question but a little different. When did WWII start? To me the Japanese aggression in China in the '30s along with Italy and Spain I would include with the whole realm of WWII.
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07-13-2008, 01:45 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: British Columbia
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{Those French & British "Colonials" hardly counted!  }
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07-14-2008, 06:56 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deep in suburban Surrey
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07-14-2008, 10:33 AM
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| Think WW2 was only a world war if you were one of the English speaking countries of the world (or relatively close allies). Otherwise, you were fighting the same guys you've been fighting for the last 2000 years (Germany/Huns Vs Soviets/Slavs, Japan V China). But both WW1 and WW2 were inevitable in some form. WW1 was about the end of Monarchies. Between 1910 and 1920, something like 40% of the world's population lost their previous ruling govt. method (which they had for upwards of 5,000 years). Pasha Bey, Hollerhotzen, Romanoffs, and Austo-Hungarian Crowns all fell in a time period of a couple of years. Toss in the end of the Chinese (in 1910) and you're looking at a huge event. Most of those family rulers lost their crowns in the first world war (not much of a global war in terms of fighting but definitely global in terms of effect). The Second World War was a combination of competition in ideologies (Nazi v Communist), centuries old grudges (Slavs, Huns, Franks, Anglo-Saxens), new players on the scene (North Americans, Austrialians, South Americans) and the final toll on the Monarchies that had escaped the first bloodletting that ended in 1920. By the time WW2 was over, the Monarchy as an effective system of govt was essentially dead. Only in small, out of the way places did it survive as a form of govt (with the king/queen doing more than being a titular head). Communism and Democracy had arisen as the majority forms of govt in the world. Communism collapsed under the weight of it's own inequities. Democracy, on the other hand, is still alive but evolving. It's future forms will be the question. Another question still unknown is will a modern democracy attack another democracy? In the modern era, it has never happened (happened in ancient Greece all the time, but that was their gig). It will be interesting to see where that idea goes when resources get scarce. But anyhow, the First World War was about the death of kings. The Second was about the rise of the populist political systems. IMHO. Last edited by timshatz; 07-15-2008 at 09:59 AM. |
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07-14-2008, 10:37 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex
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| Indirectly both wars had an effect on just about every other nation on the planet apart perhaps from the odd isolated native populations in the back of beyond |
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07-14-2008, 10:44 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Campinas - SP
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| why england and france declared war just against germany, if russia also invaded poland and other countries in 39 ? |
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07-14-2008, 04:58 PM
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| If Hitler had died in a car accident in 1932, there would have still been a great Asian war.
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07-14-2008, 06:17 PM
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07-15-2008, 06:36 AM
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| The Pop-Tart Whisperer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Jersey, United States
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| Good post Tim. Never really looked at it that way.
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07-15-2008, 10:09 AM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa
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There were a bunch of other things going on at the same time, industrialization was definitely the big push for both wars. It also put so much power in so many other hands that one guy (who claim to power was hereditary and could have the same amount of brain prowess as the average villiage idiot) who would be sorely pressed to handle a modern, functioning state. Add in the speed and numbers involved and these kings were essentially finished by the size and economic veracity of the nations they headed. A short proof of that are the Nicky-Willie Telegrams before WW1. These two saw the danger and tried to slow the march to war but it was already far ahead of them. It proved the time of kings and their power to change the world was over. WW1 was a gas powered war, WW2 was an electric war. WW3 was supposed to be a nuclear war but it didn't happen (thank God for small favors). The next one will probably be a systems war. | |
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