Yemeni jetliner has crashed in the Indian Ocean

[vikingBerserker]

A Yemeni jetliner with 150 people aboard has crashed in the Indian Ocean off the island nation of Comoros, aviation officials in Yemen said Tuesday. The Airbus A310, from the national airline Yemenia, was en route to Comoros when it crashed about an hour before it was due to land, an airline official said. There was no word on the fate of those on board. Most of the passengers were Comoran, an official at Sanaa's airport told CNN


from CNN

[GrauGeist]

Man, not another airliner down...

This has not been a good year so far

[wheelsup_cavu]

and it's another Airbus...


Wheels

[Lucky13]

Wonder if they'll get grounded?

[lingo]

Originally Posted by Lucky13

Wonder if they'll get grounded?

Why should they? Each accident must be studied. How old was the aircraft? How well was it maintained? How experienced were the crew? What were the meteorological conditions at the time? Were any other aircraft in the proximity? Could a bomb have been planted? There are so many questions to answer before blame can be levelled at the aircraft, airline, aircrew or other agency.

[Colin1]

Originally Posted by lingo

Why should they? Each accident must be studied. How old was the aircraft? How well was it maintained? How experienced were the crew? What were the meteorological conditions at the time? Were any other aircraft in the proximity? Could a bomb have been planted?

And on the other side of the equation (and probably outweighing all of them put together) - the need to be seen to be addressing public concern, uninformed or otherwise.

The FAA and US civil aviation pilots have crossed swords over Airbus long before either accident happened.

[Wurger]

The another Airbus.....humm interesting.Miay it be the kind of a cut-throat competition ?

[Matt308]

Heard on the news that they plucked a single survivor from the waters... and infant child?!?!?

Ever see the movie Unbreakable?

[Gnomey]

Yeah they have rescued 1 child (wonder how they managed to survive - blind luck no doubt).

Yes it is another Airbus but there is no need to ground them. The aircraft in question has been banned from French (European?) airspace due to 'technical irregularities'. Being Yemeni owed it won't surprise me if there is a maintenance issue that hasn't been address and contributed to the crash happening in addition to other causes (weather/pilot error etc).

BBC NEWS | Africa | France 'banned Yemen crash plane'

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu

and it's another Airbus...


Wheels

Do we say that every time a Boeing has gone down? I am sure more Boeing's have gone down than Airbus's...

Lets figure out why it crashed first.

On another note. My condolences to all the passengers and family members. Another tragic accident.

[Vassili Zaitzev]

Damn tragic, and amazing a child survived. I wouldn't question the Airburs until the investigation is concluded.

[lingo]

[QUOTE=Gnomey;521614]
The aircraft in question has been banned from French (European?) airspace due to 'technical irregularities'. Being Yemeni owed it won't surprise me if there is a maintenance issue that hasn't been address and contributed to the crash happening in addition to other causes (weather/pilot error etc).

Most interesting, until your post I was unaware of the banning order. I feel it is the mindset of those who run certain airlines that is to blame in many instances. If they believe in the Will of Allah above technical orders then it is a potential recipe for disaster.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

[QUOTE=lingo;521678]

Originally Posted by Gnomey

The aircraft in question has been banned from French (European?) airspace due to 'technical irregularities'. Being Yemeni owed it won't surprise me if there is a maintenance issue that hasn't been address and contributed to the crash happening in addition to other causes (weather/pilot error etc).

Most interesting, until your post I was unaware of the banning order. I feel it is the mindset of those who run certain airlines that is to blame in many instances. If they believe in the Will of Allah above technical orders then it is a potential recipe for disaster.

Here is a complete list of airlines that are banned from flying in Europe:

Afghanistan

* Ariana Afghan Airlines (AFG)

Angola

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Angola, including:

* Aerojet
* Air26
* Air Gemini
* Air Gicango
* Air Jet
* Air Nave
* Alada
* Angola Air Services
* Diexim
* Gira Globo
* Heliang
* Helimalongo
* Mavewa
* Rui & Conceicao
* Sal
* Sonair
* Taag Angola Airlines (DTA)

Benin

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Benin, including:

* Aero Benin
* Africa Airways
* Alafia Jet (IGA)
* Benin Golf Air
* Benin Littoral Airways (BLA)
* Cotair
* Royal Air
* Trans Air (TNB)

Cambodia

* Siem Reap Airways International (SRH)

Democratic People's Republic of Korea

* Air Koryo (KOR)

Democratic Republic Of Congo

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Democratic Republic Of Congo, including:

* Africa One (CFR)
* African Air Services Commuter
* Aigle Aviation
* Air Beni
* Air Boyoma
* Air Infini
* Air Kasai
* Air Katanga
* Air Navette
* Air Tropiques
* Bel Glob Airlines
* Blue Airlines (BUL)
* Bravo Air Congo
* Business Aviation
* Busy Bee Congo
* Butembo Airlines
* Cargo Bull Aviation
* Cetraca Aviation Service (CER)
* CHC Stellavia
* Comair
* Compagnie Africaine D’aviation
* Doren Air Congo
* El Sam Airlift
* Entreprise World Airways
* Espace Aviation Service
* Filair
* Free Airlines
* Galaxy Kavatsi
* Gilembe Air Soutenance
* Goma Express
* Gomair
* Great Lake Business Company
* Hewa Bora Airways (ALX)
* International Trans Air Business
* Katanga Airways
* Kin Avia
* Kivu Air
* Lignes Aeriennes Congolaises (LCG)
* Malu Aviation
* Malila Airlift (MLC)
* Mango Aviation
* Piva Airlines
* Rwakabika Bushi Express
* Safari Logistics Sprl
* Safe Air Company
* Services Air
* Sun Air Services
* Swala Aviation
* Tembo Air Services
* Thom's Airways
* Tmk Air Commuter
* Tracep Congo Aviation
* Trans Air Cargo Services
* Transports Aeriens Congolais
* Virunga Air Charter
* Wimbi Dira Airways (WDA)
* Zaabu International

Equatorial Guinea

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Equatorial Guinea, including:

* Cronos Airlines
* Ceiba Intercontinental (CEL)
* Egams (EGM)
* Euroguineana De Aviacion Y Transportes (EUG)
* General Work Aviacion
* Getra - Guinea Ecuatorial De Transportes Aereos (GET)
* Guinea Airways
* Star Equatorial Airlines
* Utage – Union De Transport Aereo De Guinea
* Ecuatorial (UTG)

Gabon

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Gabon, including:

* Air Services
* Air Tourist (Allegiance) (NIL)
* Nationale Et Regionale Transport (Nationale) (NRT)
* Nouvelle Air Affaires Gabon (NVS)
* Scd Aviation
* Sky Gabon (SKG)
* Solenta Aviation Gabon

Indonesia

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Indonesia, including:

* Air Pacific Utama
* Airfast Indonesia (AFE)
* Alfa Trans Dirgantata
* Asco Nusa Air Transport
* Asi Pudjiastuti
* Atlas Delta Satya
* Aviastar Mandiri
* Balai Kalibrasi Fasitas Penerbangan
* Cardig Air
* Dabi Air
* Deraya Air Taxi (DRY)
* Derazona Air Service
* Dirgantara Air Service (DIR)
* Eastindo
* Ekspress Transportasi Antar Benua
* Garuda Indonesia (GIA)
* Gatari Air Service (GHS)
* Indonesia Air Asia (AWQ)
* Indonesia Air Transport (IDA)
* Intan Angkasa Air Service
* Kal Star
* Kartika Airlines (KAE)
* Kura-Kura Aviation
* Lion Mentari Arilines (LNI)
* Linus Airways
* Mandala Airlines (MDL)
* Manunggal Air Service
* Megantara Airlines
* Merpati Nusantara Airlines (MNA)
* Metro Batavia (BTV)
* Mimika Air
* National Utility Helicopter
* Nusantara Buana Air
* Nyaman Air
* Pelita Air Service (PAS)
* Penerbangan Angkasa Semesta
* Pura Wisata Baruna
* Republic Ekspress (RPH)
* Riau Airlines (RIU)
* Sampoerna Air Nusantara
* Sayap Garuda Indah
* Smac (SMC)
* Sriwijaya Air (SJY)
* Survei Udara Penas
* Transwisata Prima Aviation
* Travel Ekspress Aviation Service (XAR)
* Travira Utama
* Tri Mg Intra Airlines (TMG)
* Trigana Air Service (TGN)
* Wing Abadi Nusantara (WON)

Kazakhstan

* Air Company Kokshetau (KRT)
* Atma Airlines (AMA)
* Berkut Air/Bek Air (BKT)
* East Wing (Airline) (EWZ)
* Sayat Air (SYM)
* Starline KZ (LMZ)

Kyrgyz Republic

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Kyrgyz Republic, including:

* Air Manas (MBB)
* Avia Traffic Company (AVJ)
* Aerostan (Ex Bistair-Fez Bishkek) (BSC)
* Click Airways (CGK)
* Dames (DAM)
* Eastok Avia
* Golden Rule Airlines (GRS)
* Itek Air 04 (IKA)
* Kyrgyz Trans Avia (KTC)
* Kyrgyzstan (LYN)
* Max Avia (MAI)
* S Group Aviation
* Sky Gate International Aviation (SGD)
* Sky Way Air (SAB)
* Tenir Airlines (TEB)
* Trast Aero (TSJ)
* Valor Air

Liberia

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Liberia.

Rwanda

* Silverback Cargo Freighters (VRB)

Sierra Leone

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Sierra Leone, including:

* Air Rum, Ltd (RUM)
* Destiny Air Services, Ltd (DTY)
* Heavylift Cargo
* Orange Air Sierra Leone Ltd (ORJ)
* Paramount Airlines, Ltd (PRR)
* Seven Four Eight Air Services Ltd (SVT)
* Teebah Airways

Sudan

* Air West Co. Ltd (AWZ)

Swaziland

All air carriers certified by the authorities with responsibility for regulatory oversight of Swaziland, including:

* Aero Africa (RFC)
* Jet Africa Swaziland (OSW)
* Royal Swazi National Airways Corporation (RSN)
* Scan Air Charter Ltd
* Swazi Express Airways (SWX)
* Swaziland Airlink (SZL)

Thailand

* One Two Go Airlines Company Limited (OTG)

Ukraine

* Motor Sich Airlines (MSI)
* Ukraine Cargo Airways (UKS)
* Ukrainian Mediterranean Airlines (UKM)
* Volare Aviation Enterprise (VRE)

[wheelsup_cavu]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Do we say that every time a Boeing has gone down? I am sure more Boeing's have gone down than Airbus's...

Lets figure out why it crashed first.

On another note. My condolences to all the passengers and family members. Another tragic accident.

There's been some slight confusion regarding my post.
I just meant that Airbus is having a terrible run of bad luck, not that they make poor planes.

Statistically speaking the more Airbus's that are put into the air the likelihood of one crashing goes up.
Same with Boeing who have dominated the market for years.

Good news about the child who survived the crash if true.
The reports I am seeing are saying that it is unconfirmed.

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

On another note. My condolences to all the passengers and family members. Another tragic accident.

I can't add to that statement and I agree completely.


Wheels

[Colin1]

Originally Posted by wheelsup_cavu

There's been some slight confusion regarding my post.
I just meant that Airbus is having a terrible run of bad luck, not that they make poor planes

I think you make a bigger point than you realise
People don't tend to start juggling safety record statistics when a plane goes down, they tend instead to postulate that 2 + 2 = 5; we have two air accidents where

i. both are Airbus
ii. both crashed in the ocean
iii. within a short space of time of one another
iv. both for reasons as yet not ascertained

unfortunately, that is the sort of pattern that an uninformed public (uninformed does not imply unintelligent) formulates and carriers know it. They know that they need a definitive statement disassociating one accident from the other and they need it quickly. Airbus definitely need it quickly.