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the lancaster kicks ass · 11-28-2004, 01:02 PM

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Yeah but thats on internal fuel, its nearer 900 with Droptanks

if it was carrying ordinance how could it carry fuel as well??

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and on the accounts I read its been said that he could regularly turn inside them.

that doesn't answer my question, how do you know the zero was turning it's tightest?? anything could outmanouver a zero at 250+mph..............

cheddar cheese · 11-28-2004, 01:05 PM

The point I was making was that if he'd faced Zero's on several occasionas, its more than likely he turned inside them below that speed on at least a couple of occasions.

the lancaster kicks ass · 11-28-2004, 01:07 PM

i doubt it............

and stop trying to avoid my first point...............

cheddar cheese · 11-28-2004, 01:15 PM

You doubt it? Why do you doubt it?

I think P-38's could either carry 2 large tanks under the cockpit or 2 smaller ones nearer the end of the wings.

Tony Williams · 11-28-2004, 04:53 PM

The Mossie, easily. The best night-fighter of the war, an excellent low-level fighter-bomber, an almost uncatchable night bomber able to deliver a 4,000 lb 'cookie' to Berlin, one version even mounted a high-velocity 57mm gun for anti-sub work.

Nothing else came close: the Ju 88 was slower, the P-38 too limited. Second place would probably go to the Soviet Pe-3, a very fast twin-engined dive bomber which was also made in a heavy fighter version. A most impressive plane, but you don't hear much about it in the west.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum

R Pope · 11-28-2004, 05:35 PM

Best German night fighter had to be the He219 Uhu. It was specifically designed for the job, and did it well. Burt that's not the point of this thread.

kiwimac · 11-28-2004, 07:56 PM

Ju-88. Best all rounder of the war years. It was a bomber, fighter, heavy-fighter, ground attack, dive bomber, anti-tank, anti-sub & shipping, Night fighter, transport, just about everything.

Kiwimac

cheddar cheese · 11-29-2004, 12:10 PM

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Nothing else came close: the Ju 88 was slower, the P-38 too limited.

I disagree about the P-38 being too limited, it could do everything the Mossie could just as well, and in a lot of cases much better.

the lancaster kicks ass · 11-29-2004, 02:56 PM

as a bomber the P-38 was useless, as a night fighter it wasn't combat proven, whereas the mossie was the best the allies had and one of the most feared NFs of the war, anti-tank the mossie Mk.XVIII well outclassed the P-38, anti-shipping the mossie's got it and transport the mossie gets it again....................

cheddar cheese · 11-29-2004, 04:01 PM

The P-38 was NOT useless as a bomber, it was extremely effective. against tanks it was damn good, anti-shipping the P-38 was also damn good and what the **** could the Mossie do for transport?

Hot Space · 11-29-2004, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

.............and what the f**k could the Mossie do for transport?

Get the Num. 32 Bus to Walden on Rhye

Hot Space

cheddar cheese · 11-30-2004, 06:27 AM

I think there would be certain issues concerning that statement

Hot Space · 11-30-2004, 11:50 AM

Yes, that the Bus Fare has gone up by 5p. It's

ing I tell ya,

ing

Hot Space

cheddar cheese · 11-30-2004, 11:58 AM

No!

If you took that bus twice a day every day for a year it will cost you £36.50 more than it would normally do!

Hot Space · 11-30-2004, 12:02 PM

It's ok, I'm the Driver

Hot Space

11-28-2004, 01:07 PM	#18
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	i doubt it............ and stop trying to avoid my first point............... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

11-28-2004, 07:56 PM	#22
kiwimac Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Deepest Darkest NZ Posts: 1,131	Ju-88. Best all rounder of the war years. It was a bomber, fighter, heavy-fighter, ground attack, dive bomber, anti-tank, anti-sub & shipping, Night fighter, transport, just about everything. Kiwimac __________________

11-29-2004, 02:56 PM	#24
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	as a bomber the P-38 was useless, as a night fighter it wasn't combat proven, whereas the mossie was the best the allies had and one of the most feared NFs of the war, anti-tank the mossie Mk.XVIII well outclassed the P-38, anti-shipping the mossie's got it and transport the mossie gets it again.................... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

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11-28-2004, 01:05 PM	#17
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	The point I was making was that if he'd faced Zero's on several occasionas, its more than likely he turned inside them below that speed on at least a couple of occasions.

11-28-2004, 01:15 PM	#19
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	You doubt it? Why do you doubt it? I think P-38's could either carry 2 large tanks under the cockpit or 2 smaller ones nearer the end of the wings.

11-28-2004, 04:53 PM	#20
Tony Williams Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 273	The Mossie, easily. The best night-fighter of the war, an excellent low-level fighter-bomber, an almost uncatchable night bomber able to deliver a 4,000 lb 'cookie' to Berlin, one version even mounted a high-velocity 57mm gun for anti-sub work. Nothing else came close: the Ju 88 was slower, the P-38 too limited. Second place would probably go to the Soviet Pe-3, a very fast twin-engined dive bomber which was also made in a heavy fighter version. A most impressive plane, but you don't hear much about it in the west. Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum

11-28-2004, 05:35 PM	#21
R Pope Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 134	Best German night fighter had to be the He219 Uhu. It was specifically designed for the job, and did it well. Burt that's not the point of this thread.

11-29-2004, 04:01 PM	#25
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	The P-38 was NOT useless as a bomber, it was extremely effective. against tanks it was damn good, anti-shipping the P-38 was also damn good and what the **** could the Mossie do for transport?

11-30-2004, 06:27 AM	#27
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	I think there would be certain issues concerning that statement

11-30-2004, 11:50 AM	#28
Hot Space Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,172	Yes, that the Bus Fare has gone up by 5p. It's ing I tell ya, ing Hot Space

11-30-2004, 11:58 AM	#29
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	No! If you took that bus twice a day every day for a year it will cost you £36.50 more than it would normally do!

11-30-2004, 12:02 PM	#30
Hot Space Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,172	It's ok, I'm the Driver Hot Space