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06-19-2005, 02:50 PM
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#16 | | Member
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| And what about the HE111, my favourite german bomber...
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06-19-2005, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet but I can not agree with the 262 | It was a joke concerning Hitler's order to use Me 262 primarily as a bomber. I thought you knew it...
Well, He 111 was a bit "sitting duck" even it had very good armouring, it was totally outdated after the BoB... | |
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06-19-2005, 04:21 PM
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#18 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | yes the He-111 was not exeptionally good in the medium range bomber role........
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06-20-2005, 11:50 AM
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Country:  | Going back to the Me-410 you have a great point. A very capable plane in numourous role with a huge range of weaponry available to it.
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06-20-2005, 02:26 PM
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#20 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Exactly had she been developed earlier and put into use in large numbers I think she would have done well.
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06-20-2005, 03:14 PM
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Country:  | I would agree with the He-111, it had some promise, but I think that the whole German bomber development was mismanaged. All that push for dive bombers had to have taken its toll.
I do not know a lot about the Do 217 can you all recomend some good places to start reading 
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06-20-2005, 03:49 PM
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#22 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I think with the whole dive bomber thing, it goes with the German strategy before the war and in the beginning. The Stukas and other dive bombers fit in all to well with the Blitzkrieg tactics and with the early success they placed to much emphasis on the dive bombers.
It was a big mistake for the Germans not to develop heavy bombers and a better bomber strategy.
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06-20-2005, 03:55 PM
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#23 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | but you have to wonder how much that would really help?? it'd severly limit their fighter production and i still don't think, owing to us having RADAR, they'd have won the BoB with heavy bombers.......
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06-20-2005, 04:04 PM
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#24 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | If they had had a better bomber strategy or even stuck with the original strategy it may have.
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06-20-2005, 04:08 PM
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#25 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet I think with the whole dive bomber thing, it goes with the German strategy before the war and in the beginning. The Stukas and other dive bombers fit in all to well with the Blitzkrieg tactics and with the early success they placed to much emphasis on the dive bombers.
It was a big mistake for the Germans not to develop heavy bombers and a better bomber strategy. | Don't forget The First Chief of the Luftwaffe General Staff, Walther Wever. General Wever was a proponent of strategic bombing but was killed before the war. Once he was gone the Luftwaffe leadership embraced medium bombers and dive bombers.
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06-20-2005, 04:14 PM
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#26 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Exactly but I think it all goes back to the Blitzkrieg strategy the most.
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06-20-2005, 09:21 PM
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| Sorry to interrupt but I just had to share this song that Lancaster pilots used to sing about their Fortress counterparts.
We're flying Flying Fortresses at 30,000 feet,
We're flying Flying Fortresses at 30,000 feet,
We've bags of point five ammo and a teeny weeny bomb
And we drop the b*stard from so high we don't know where it's gone!
Glory, glory shall we drop it?
Glory, glory shall we drop it?
We've bags of point five ammo and a teeny weeny bomb
And we drop the b*stard from so high we don't know where it's gone!
I believe that in terms of the performance vital to good bombing that the Lancaster is far superiour to anything in it's class.
Ceiling, (Stirling escort)
Speed, Cruised faster than a Fort. I spoke to a gentleman who told me about the time he overhauled a Fort who tried to race him. The Fort jockey was comically smoking a cigar and cursing his machine as my friend's Lanc idled past on cruise setting.
Bombload, even the mossie could carry more bombs than a Fort. Nothing else except the B-29 compares.
Manouverability, the Lanc was actually quite agile for it's size
Range, no problems there.
Versatility, Dambusters anyone?
In terms of tactical support or medium bombers I think that the B-26, B-25 and Ju-88S are the best here.
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06-20-2005, 11:28 PM
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I think the B17 is the best long range bomber.
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06-21-2005, 06:00 AM
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#29 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | I agree in the fact that I like the B-17 the best but the Lancaster was a better bomber than the B-17 (yes Lanc I said it). However the B-29 was better then both.
The Lancaster could carry a larger bombload than the B-17. However the thing that makes me like the B-17 the best is the fact that it could take so much damn punishment and still get you home.
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06-21-2005, 09:28 AM
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Country: | The Mosquito could not carry more than the B-17. The Mosquito could carry 6000 lbs on a short range mission, the B-17 carried typically 6000 lbs on a long range mission. The B-17 could carry up to 17,600 lbs on a short range mission.
Across the same distances the B-17 would be able to carry more.
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