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04-09-2005, 02:01 PM
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#226 | | Master of Ewes
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04-09-2005, 02:07 PM
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#227 | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by MP-Willow Was the Ju-87 the best Dive Bomer? | No, the Dauntless was better in almost every way that counts. The Stuka was SLOW! | |
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04-09-2005, 02:14 PM
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04-09-2005, 02:17 PM
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#229 | | Master of Ewes
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04-09-2005, 02:36 PM
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04-09-2005, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese What about the He-177... | Plagued with problems (mostly due to the doubled up engines per prop) and not a very stable bombing platform. Hitler's stupidity in action again! | |
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04-09-2005, 02:42 PM
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#232 | | Konfused with a 'K'
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04-09-2005, 02:44 PM
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04-09-2005, 02:44 PM
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#234 | | Master of Ewes
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04-09-2005, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese Yep! Why he wanted it to work as a dive bomber I dont know! | Because the Stuka was so effective early in the war. Hitler could not wrap his puny drug riddled brain around the concept of anything bigger than the tactical war. With him it was either tactics or knockout punches, nothing in-between. | |
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04-09-2005, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass i believe he was making a joke about the -177 being so bad wen it got to it's target (sorry IF it gets there) it would break down and DIVE down onto the target............. | No, it was actually intended for use as a dive bomber...
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04-09-2005, 02:52 PM
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#237 | | Master of Ewes
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04-09-2005, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass i believe he was making a joke about the -177 being so bad wen it got to it's target (sorry IF it gets there) it would break down and DIVE down onto the target............. | To quote your message again, I doubt the plane would even make it to the ground, it would explode before it even reached the ground, resulting in a little light "Shrapnel rain" over the target 
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04-09-2005, 02:56 PM
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#239 | | | Not really. Hitler had decreed that all bombers should be capable of being dive bombers, and thus no 4 engine bomber development could be pursued.
Heinkel of course knew this was stupid, so they endevoured to work around the decree. I don't think the He117 was ever really intended to be a dive bomber, it was just made capable enough of dive bombing to cover the engineer's asses. But even so, the increase in structure to support dive bombing (rather than to support stable flight and added durability) and the stuffing of two engines into each nacel to drive one prop made the plane unsuitable for its real roll - strategic bombing.
Heinkel also pursued the He277 but by the time Hitler recanted his foolish decree, it was too late to get the true 4 engine (and prop) design into the war. | |
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04-09-2005, 03:01 PM
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