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12-23-2004, 03:55 PM
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#616 | | Master of Ewes
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Country:  | he'd preberly say "because the they had the P-38, as long as they had the P-38 they didn't need any other plane because the P-38 was better than every plane at everything and didn't have any flaws"..............
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12-23-2004, 03:57 PM
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That sounded like a Grand Slam goin off....
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12-23-2004, 04:03 PM
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Country:  | Why would I say that? The P-38 couldnt have won the war on its own, im not stupid lanc. Youre the stupid one if you ask me for assuming id say something untoward like that.
Just cos I like the P-39 doesnt make it good. Its badness is part of the appeal for me.
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12-23-2004, 04:03 PM
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12-23-2004, 04:08 PM
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12-23-2004, 04:12 PM
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#621 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | yet you seem to think the P-38 could do no wrong, you never speak of it's flaws...........
please don't turn this into a P-38 Vs. mossie thread, no-one want another one of them..............
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12-23-2004, 04:14 PM
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12-23-2004, 04:18 PM
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Country: | I know the P-38 had flaws, but there wasnt an awful lot of them. And why would I talk about them whilst championing it? It wouldnt make sense. Its not like you make a song and dance about the Mossies flaws either...
And if anything lanc youre the one turning it into a P-38 v Mossie thread...You started it off.
Im just gonna ignore this thread for a while cos youre being immature.
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12-23-2004, 11:40 PM
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| I'm up for an education in the flaws of the Lancaster Lanc . . . 
The Russians had some succes in the P-39 due to the roles they were using it in. At low altitudes, the P-39 wasn't that bad of an aircraft and it's firepower was very useful for ground attack missions. The lack of a turbo was a serious problem if it had to fight at altitude. Does anyone know if the Russians had any trouble maintaining the V-1710 engine in the P-39?
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12-24-2004, 01:27 PM
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Country: | you mean you don't know the lanc's flaws??
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12-24-2004, 04:24 PM
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| Just noting that I've never heard you say a cross word about the Lancaster.
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12-24-2004, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by the lancaster kicks ass yet you seem to think the P-38 could do no wrong, you never speak of it's flaws...........
please don't turn this into a P-38 Vs. mossie thread, no-one want another one of them.............. | The P-38 had some flaws in the ETO some were severe however it's biggest flaw was in quantity more were needed every where. In the Pacific there was only one fighter group that was all P-38s start to finish the 475th ant P-38s are reported to have 5,737 kills in the PTO with another 2,500+ in the MTO (more than half the score of the P-51s with just more than half the sorties and close escort. remember there were 10,000 P-38s and just less than 16,000 mustangs) The P-38 always gave better than it took even when the odds, experiance and developement were against it. As for winning the war by itself a silly idea, but there are two documented missions where a single P-38 covereda bomber group against terrible odds, succeded not only to shoot down enemy attackers but preventing loss of any bombers to the enemy. What would have been the situation if there had been twice as many and then there is the P-38K that would have added 10%or more to it's performance envelope? | |
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12-24-2004, 11:07 PM
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| The P-38K would have been a fine aircraft, but I'm not sure it would have been any better than the definitive P-38L. The K would have been superior at high alititude but the L was probably the better all-around. The main thing the K would have offered is a powerful, high-altitude fighter available at an earlier date.
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12-25-2004, 04:31 PM
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| True. The climb was better and the increase in speed would have kept been in the P-51H speed class (though the P-38L still beat it in every other way).
The J and then the L were still in a class by themselves so it wasn't thought that a production stoppage was worth it.
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12-25-2004, 06:25 PM
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