Check this out:SWON

[Birdmanwest]

Secret Weapons Over Normandy is the best airplane game out there for a WW2 aircraft fans like us.
http://www.lucasarts.com/products/normandy/

[Crazy]

SWON is a good game, bit to arcady for my likes.

I must beg to differ on the "best airplane game out there" point.

IL-2 Sturmovik FB is the best game for the likes of us out, there, until of course the Aces Expansion Pack for it comes out

[GermansRGeniuses]

fb is the best for sure

[Hot Space]

It looks ok I guess

Hot Space

[Birdmanwest]

Well I never heared of FB before and I guess thats the best game. But I think what I was trying to mean was in ps2 and xbox. If the FB is out there on xbox then that is best for sure.

[nutter]

FB will never come out for anything other than the p.c. ps2 and xbox wouldn't be able to handle it.

that secret weapons games got a lot of flyable planes but the graphucs looked a bit cheap to me so i won't be buying it. still nice to see some competition

[Archer]

I like CFS2 since its in the Pacific. Can't wait to see the Pacific sim based on the IL-2/FB engine ...think its supposed to be out around Christmas maybe

[GermansRGeniuses]

i dont like msoft sims because u have to pick what ordanance u want unlike il2 where there is a rocket a bomb a mg and a cannon button and the flight model is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay crappy compared to il2 graphics too sure cfs3 has better gfx but thats cuz its only a couple months old the original il2 is over two years old and the graphics still kick ass! fb is even better plus lets not forget the damage model we all love so much

[Crazy]

Originally Posted by GermansRGeniuses

i dont like msoft sims because u have to pick what ordanance u want unlike il2 where there is a rocket a bomb a mg and a cannon button and the flight model is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay crappy compared to il2 graphics too sure cfs3 has better gfx but thats cuz its only a couple months old the original il2 is over two years old and the graphics still kick ass! fb is even better plus lets not forget the damage model we all love so much

Ahhh, the oh so familiar damage model

[the lancaster kicks ass]

Originally Posted by nutter

FB will never come out for anything other than the p.c. ps2 and xbox wouldn't be able to handle it.

that secret weapons games got a lot of flyable planes but the graphucs looked a bit cheap to me so i won't be buying it. still nice to see some competition

1) the X-Box has 3 time the graphics power of the P.S.2 (in theory), making it more powerfull

2) i heard the game was pretty bad to

[nutter]

its not just the graphics power its the procesor speed as well. also the x-box will never be use to its full potential

and flight sims don't sell well on consoles thats why there on the pc because it wouldn't be worth the money to develop it for the xbox

i had a look at the games website looks like some daft idea where your in some special squadron that flys all over

[cheddar cheese]

lol it doesnt lanc, the ps2 is a much better console ive yet to see an xbox game with graphics i can compare to the ps2

and btw woooo this is my 200th post

[the lancaster kicks ass]

200 *cough* that's nothing *cough*

[Archer]

Originally Posted by GermansRGeniuses

i dont like msoft sims because u have to pick what ordanance u want unlike il2 where there is a rocket a bomb a mg and a cannon button

Personally I like cycling through weapons somewhat because its more along the lines of arming it than just firing it off.

the flight model is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay crappy compared to il2

Yes, the stock flight model is a bunch of BS, but the avhistory.org planes are fun to fly.

graphics too sure cfs3 has better gfx but thats cuz its only a couple months old the original il2 is over two years old and the graphics still kick ass!

IL-2 definately has the graphics over CFS2, but if the graphics are okay thats fine by me. My opinion of CFS3 is that its pretty horrible. I only played IL-2 once, and I wasn't too impressed with the flight model (I took off and climbed a few thousand feet before deciding the graphics that it was set on sucked and didn't feel like changing them). From the shots of FB though, the graphics are great (especially the effects).

For me though, IL-2 isn't set in the Pacific theater, it doesn't have carriers, it doesn't have accurate terrain, it doesn't have Corsairs, it doesn't have SBDs, it doesn't have Avengers, it doesn't have Hellcats, it doesn't have Vals, it doesn't have Kates (AFAIK, I think it has Zeroes..but what variants?), and add-on planes, scenery, etc cannot be made (IIRC Maddox has to like them and release them in/as a patch).

Great sim for anyone wanting to fly in Eastern Europe or for the visuals, but for IMO (for me and my personal preferences) it isn't any good

Does IL-2 FB have nukes, tanks, choppers, or artillery that the player can use?

[Crazy]

Archer,

IL-2 doesn't support add-ons because it would make online flight almost impossible, with everyone having slighty different plane sets than the next guy

If you're looking for artillery and tanks for sceney and realistic tank-battles with air cover, IL-2 has you covered If you actually want to control them, may I suggest Battlefield 1942?

IL-2 also includes this neat feature called the FMB (Full mission builder) where the versatility is tremendous. There are an abundance of missions, because one doesn't have to be a genius to work it. Example? I have several missions

All in all, IL-2 is the best flight sim out there. (And that;s only slightly baised )