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02-23-2008, 05:38 PM
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#676 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Monk  ......
Remember, the USA made up over 2/3rds of the world's industrial capacity in 1942, more as they got into the war.
.... | Agreed. The US industrial capacity is what made the difference for an allied victory.
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02-24-2008, 04:37 PM
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#677 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Monk
Swing your hammer m8 and leave history to those who actually study it!  | That was uncalled for.
You might not like the hammer once it starts swinging.
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02-24-2008, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3
The US entry into the war in Europe guarenteed that the allies would win. Therefore America gets credit for saving the butt's of the European people.
| Nothing in war is guaranteed. Quote:
Originally Posted by syscom3
Again, no-one has proven me wrong.....
The UK did not have the resources to win by themselves. Thus whomever wins between Russia and Germany will be the victor.
| Unless, as Plan D states, they bleed each other down so much first that neither can contest an Allied landing into Western Europe Quote: |
Originally Posted by syscom With the US in the fight, the allies will eventually win.
Anyone with half a brain knows that. | Could the US have had a ground victory in Europe without Russia?
Could the US have landed in Europe without British help or bases? And could the Russians have held out without British help & the Commonwealth keeping a big chunk of Axis forces occupied instead of fighting in the East? Quote:
Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet That is the thing that you fail to realize. Not one single force could win the war by themselves. Without the Eastern Front the Germans would have been to powerful in the west. Without the Western Front, vice versa.
You let pride cloud your judgement.
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Originally Posted by Monk I just cannot resist!
So the USA did "save Europe" in WWII, anyone who cannot see this is a fool.
Swing your hammer m8 and leave history to those who actually study it! | Nothing like throwing down the gauntlet in your first post to get noticed is there? 
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02-24-2008, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by freebird Unless, as Plan D states, they bleed each other down so much first that neither can contest an Allied landing into Western Europe | The commonwealth didnt have the resources to invade France without the US men and material. BTW, how are you going to win air superiority without the long range P38's and P51's? Quote: |
Could the US have had a ground victory in Europe without Russia?
| If the US isnt even in the war, that statement is irrelevant. Quote: |
Could the US have landed in Europe without British help or bases? And could the Russians have held out without British help & the Commonwealth keeping a big chunk of Axis forces occupied instead of fighting in the East?
| This thread is about whether the Commonwealth and/or Russia had the power to defeat Germany without US aid.
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02-25-2008, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet That was uncalled for.
You might not like the hammer once it starts swinging. | I beg to differ.
And Chris, you may find you do not like where the hammer finally lands when it has traveled its full measure! Look up, what is that spinning shadow?
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02-25-2008, 02:27 PM
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#681 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by Monk I beg to differ.
And Chris, you may find you do not like where the hammer finally lands when it has traveled its full measure! Look up, what is that spinning shadow?
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Monk - you're an idiot - I suggest you refrain from any more smart ass remarks or your stay here will be VERY short.
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02-25-2008, 02:40 PM
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Yikes
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02-25-2008, 05:37 PM
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#683 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Monk I beg to differ.
And Chris, you may find you do not like where the hammer finally lands when it has traveled its full measure! Look up, what is that spinning shadow?
LOL | If you have nothing constructive to say, then dont say anything at all...
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02-25-2008, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monk
anyone who cannot see this is a fool.
| Monk I'll give you some advice - If you want to post opinions It's best to avoid insulting remarks when doing so. Also you will notice that the Mods have their names colored, if you get insulting or flippant with them it's at your own peril. Quote:
Originally Posted by AL Schlageter Got this off some BB somewhere, sometime.
1939:
Allied and Neutral ship tonnage sunk by German and Italian submarines (#ships, GRT)
Sep39 48/178,621
Oct39 33/156,156
Nov39 27/72,721
Dec39 39/101,823
Tot39 147 (36.75/month)/509,321 (127,330.25/month)
British merchant ship construction capacity from 1939-1941 did not exceed 1.2 million GRT per year.
US merchant ship construction in 1939 was 0.242 million GRT..... | Quote:
Originally Posted by syscom3 Great info!!!!!
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Originally Posted by drgondog Al - this is best summary I have seen so far and adds some facts to my own speculation. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Civettone Yeah, that was a great post, Al! I saved it on my HD!  | Guys what happened to Al? I see he got banned, he didn't seem like the hotheaded type.
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