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01-21-2005, 07:24 PM
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#196 | | Senior Member
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Country: | Also don't forget that the P-51 Mustang may have been designed by the US as a fighter but it took the British to iron out some problems including putting in a more suitable engine before its potential was realised. |
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01-21-2005, 10:50 PM
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Country: | Don't be an idiot, CC, or can't you help it? American planes with Americans pilots were the best? Especially when you come out with the Mustang as being one. Brilliant plane but the Spitfire was a better dogfighter, so how was it the best?
And the Tempest wouldn't have been slaughtered at low-level. In actual fact, the Tempest would have slaughtered the -47, gave the 'Tang and Lightning a run for their money.
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01-22-2005, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mosquitoman As if, the Tempest got the highest amount of Me262 kills out of any other plane, need I say any more? | Hmmm, didnt know that, interesting  I know the Tempest was a great plane, its one that I like very much, but I still feel that the 3 planes I mentioned were better...ill have to scrounge up an argument as I cant just say they were better - watch this space! 
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01-22-2005, 03:24 AM
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Country: | I'd advise you enlist the help of LG, for the Lightning one. I think most of the American aircraft were brilliant. You put down the British aircraft too much, or you just don't know how to write properly. Either way, the British aircraft were some of the best in the sky. Especially the Spitfire, Mosquito and Lancaster.
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01-22-2005, 03:33 AM
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Country: | I could do the lightning one now if I had the time...I know enough about it...Just need to do a little more research on the Jug and the 'stang...
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01-22-2005, 03:42 AM
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#201 | | Senior Member
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Country: | You don't know enough on the Tempest though. I'd probably say the Lighting was the best overall aircraft, between the two. I'd rather be in a Tempest if we're going low-level.
The Jug wouldn't stand a chance at low-level, it wasn't much of a fighter. Come on! It could take a beating but it couldn't dogfight with the best of them, although it was a P-47 that downed the first -262.
And the Mustang well, we're talking the -51D, it was good but as I always say it's major shining point was its range. Not it's dogfight ability.
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01-22-2005, 10:07 PM
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#202 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | Actually, the P-47 was a good fighter despite it's size. It made aces of several pilots and even after they were designated to ground attack, they still racked up an impressive amount of aerial victories. I am certainly never going to declare it the best dogfighter, but it could hold it's own.
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01-22-2005, 11:38 PM
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#203 | | Senior Member
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Country: | It was a good fighter, if you knew how to use it. However, the Tempest would have much more of a chance in the combat than the -47.
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01-22-2005, 11:56 PM
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#204 | | "Shooter"
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Country: | I'll give you that, the Tempest was more of a fighter.
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01-23-2005, 06:44 AM
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#205 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | i fail to see how the -38,-47 and -51 were better than british designs, in particular the tempest, the tempest was more than capable of taking out all of those planes, spits could turn inside all of the above and our pilots had considderably more battle experience and training than their american counterparts, may i suggest you open your mind a bit to british designs..................
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01-23-2005, 09:19 AM
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the tempest was more than capable of taking out all of those planes
| A match maybe, but not "More than capable". I dont really know why I mentioned te P-47, maybe because I just like it. But I still think the P-38 and P-51 would give the Tempest a damned hard time. Why you mentioned the Spitfire I dont know, Im well aware of the fact it was a better dogfighter than the above.
May I suggest to you that you occasionally close you mind about British designs and make space for other countries planes, you constantly talk about the British planes like the sun shined outta their arses and that there were no better planes than the British planes. I mean Im no fan of British planes but the Spitfire, Hurricane and Lancaster were damned good designs. Credits due where its due, and you dont give credit to the aircraft of other nations often enough.
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01-23-2005, 11:09 AM
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#207 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | it just so happens in this case though that in the matter in question the british planes are better............
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01-23-2005, 11:36 AM
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Country: | And what is "the matter in question" ?
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01-23-2005, 11:41 AM
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Country: | In this case, I would take a Tempest but for maritime recce it would have to be a Liberator or a Catalina. Heavy daylight bombing and I would take a B-29
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01-23-2005, 11:55 AM
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#210 | | Master of Ewes
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Country: | how did we jump to maritime patrol and bombing 
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