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  • B1 Lancer

    15 14.42%
  • B-2 Stealth Bomber

    26 25.00%
  • B-52 Stratofortress

    51 49.04%
  • Tu-95 Bear

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  • Nimrod

    1 0.96%
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    4 3.85%
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Greatest Modern Bomber

Old Threads Discuss Greatest Modern Bomber in the Old Stuff forums; Originally Posted by Gnomey How did they manage to get it to stay on the pole, it would look out ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnomey
    How did they manage to get it to stay on the pole, it would look out of place on a pole in my opinion but still cool.
    I guess it takes a big pole!


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    Hmm..

    B1B: 75,000lbs @ 925mph $178m

    Tornado: 18,000lbs @ 1,450mph $35m

    I think I'd rather take five Tornados for my first attack

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    Theyre two different aircraft performing two different missions.
    "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

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    Seems the B1B cost was about $383 million, so I'll take 10 Tornados and stuff the mission - I mean the bad guys only have to be lucky once to shoot down the B1B but it's unlikely they'll get lucky ten times

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    You need ten Tornados to actually hit the target, unless you plan on sending Bucaneers with them to pin-point the target just like the RAF did in the Gulf. At least when buying a B-1, you're 90% sure it's going to come out of the factory working.

    Why buy a Tornado, or ten, when you can buy F-15s for a cheaper price and they're better...
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    To those in that club.

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    You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.

    If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime.
    "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by syscom3
    You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.

    If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime.
    Agree - it also has double the countermeasures

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    Quote Originally Posted by syscom3
    You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.

    If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime.
    Agree - it also has double the countermeasures

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    Quote Originally Posted by syscom3
    You also forget the B1B is also a nuke penetrator bomber.

    If I was going to attack a heavily defended target, deep in Russian territory in a nuke war, I will take the B1 over the tornado anytime.
    Indeed, you certainly would want to use a B-1 in that situation but I do not believe the B-1 has a nuclear mission any more. You really, really would want to take a B-2.

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    B2 first, B1 next
    "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

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    And the oft quoted $380M price tag, like that quoted for the B-2, includes ground infrastructure, spares, maintenance, etc. It is used as a means of unfairly comparing fly away costs of a single airplane vs that including recurring costs over the lifetime of the airframe. As once said by a famous American writer, "Lies. Damn lies. And statistics."

    And while not the "best", certainly one of my all time favorites the B-58 Hustler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt308 View Post
    And while not the "best", certainly one of my all time favorites the B-58 Hustler.
    The B-58 certeinly had that "sex appeal" of supersonic aircraft of the late 50's and early 60's.
    "Pilot to copilot..... what are those mountain goats doing up here in the clouds?"

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    I'll say she did. A handful to land, but wow!

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    but I do not believe the B-1 has a nuclear mission any more.
    Excuse me while I roll over and die from laughing so bleeding hard.

    It is just like sex.

    You have to penetrate to dominate.

    Thus the mission is still there.
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    Or the B-2 a conventional...

    You don't see daylight shots of this often.
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